mr. schaffer. the lawyers argument is, everything mr. advice provided by trump lawyers. quote, every action by mr. schaffer, as a presidential elect, or nominee, or contingent elector, which is what they were calling the fake electors, contingent electors. is that every actual taken in conformity with, and reliance upon the repeated, and detailed advice, of legal counsel. to see this, they attach a familiar name to alex kaufman. kaufman tells schaffer men, it's important that schaffer carry out that fake elector meeting. quote, david, i am reconfirming the importance, and our collective advice that our slate of delegates, again, the fake electra's, that they meet on december 14th, and cast their ballots in favor of president trump. i believe that this is still the most conservative courts of action to preserve the best chance for georgia to ultimately support the presidents reelection. so, that's in case you missed it, team trump offering its collective advice that the fake electors meet and cast their ballots for donald trump on december

mr. schaffer was reportedly not included in that group. ced with this reality, schaffer's legal team sent a letter to d.a. willis, a letter trying to ward off an indictment against mr. shafer. the lawyer's argument was that everything mr. shafer did was based on legal advice provided by trump lawyers. quote, every action by mr. shafer as a presidential elector nominee or contingent elector -- that's what they're calling the fake electors, contingent electors. every action was specifically undertaken in conformity with and reliance upon and repeated detailed advice of legal counsel. in it mr. kaufman tells david shafer it is imperative mr. shafer carry out that fake elector meeting. quote, david, i'm reconfirming the importance and our collective advice that our slate of delegates -- again, the fake electors -- they meet and cast their ballots for president trump. i believe this is still the most conservative course of action. that's in case you missed it team trump offering its collective advice the fake electors meet and cast their ballots

mr. schaffer and mr. nathan, if i may. -- if you can speak to either, starting with you, mr.than. >> it's hard to say how successful they have been. they definitely spent a lot of money. i think that's the overall issue with the belt and road initiative, that they have exerted influence, spent money, burden countries with debt, and left projects behind that are often poor quality, often appropriate, and use that as a way to extract concessions. when we make investments, it's based on our values and hearings and private sector and we are not attaching strings. -- >> i'm glad you mentioned that, mr. nathan, because we quantify their influenced by dollar amounts. is it fair to say in some cases it might actually be backfiring, as they lay on burns, responsibilities, commitments, on countries that might be better beneficiaries. either any examples of that that you might share? >> i don't have at my fingertips examples. but i think it's absolutely the case that it backfires. when i travel on top to leaders they are very interested in our projects and our funding that comes with hi