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mr. schumer. mr. schumer yes. miss cantwell. miss cant quel no. mr. nelson. mr. nelson no. mr. machinened ez. mr. menendez aye. mr. parker. mr. brown aye. mr. bennett. mr. bennett aye. mr. casey. mr. casey aye. mr. warner. mr. warner no. mr. chairman. the chairman votes no. >> the clerk will announce the results. >> seven ayes, 19 nays. >> the amendment is defeated. does anybody else have an amendment? >> mr. chairman. >> the senator from pennsylvania. >> mr. chairman, i have good news and bad news. good news is -- >> i like the good news. i like that in advance. >> good news is i'm not offering all of my amendments. the bad news is good news for me but bad news maybe for some others. i'd ask for a voice vote on the by america amendment. let me just walk through it. this is an amendment, casey amendment -- or amendment number 203. amendment number 2. i'm trying to insist that the buy america provisions which have been in effect for decades adheres well to this agreement. so that the effect of the amendment if it were to pass and be implemented would be to remove fast track priv
mr. schumer. mr. schumer yes. miss cantwell. miss cant quel no. mr. nelson. mr. nelson no. mr. machinened ez. mr. menendez aye. mr. parker. mr. brown aye. mr. bennett. mr. bennett aye. mr. casey. mr. casey aye. mr. warner. mr. warner no. mr. chairman. the chairman votes no. >> the clerk will announce the results. >> seven ayes, 19 nays. >> the amendment is defeated. does anybody else have an amendment? >> mr. chairman. >> the senator from pennsylvania. >> mr....
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mr. schumer, mr. schumer, aye. mr. bennett, mr. mccain, no. okay so there you go. a couple of jay votes followed by a no from senator john mccain. libby casey is following this for us i guess that's to be expected that senator mccain would vote no, but i guess the question i asked you is about to be answered, libby are the votes there for this? >> it does look like they are. we have seen five republicans vote in the affirmative so far, you can see this is on going, roll call right now but the key number was five republicans who join with democrats and independents. she needs 50 votes technically, if it is a tie joe biden would break that by voting for her but the white house would like to see her get more than that, of course. so as long as all the democrats are present and accounted for and cast a vote yes, this is looking good for her, i have to tell you we are hearing reports that members of the congressional black caucus, on the house side are watching this vote, also members of loretta lynch's family. a lot view this -- but important for the african-american c
mr. schumer, mr. schumer, aye. mr. bennett, mr. mccain, no. okay so there you go. a couple of jay votes followed by a no from senator john mccain. libby casey is following this for us i guess that's to be expected that senator mccain would vote no, but i guess the question i asked you is about to be answered, libby are the votes there for this? >> it does look like they are. we have seen five republicans vote in the affirmative so far, you can see this is on going, roll call right now but...
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mr. schumer say yes. senator brown, you are next. >> this is amendment number 17 striking the investing stake. it strikes language that refers to investor state dispute settlement which provides for an extra way for corporations to sue government for regulating or passing laws. corporations in one country suing a government in another country for a health and safety law or some law they have chosen to pass even when their courts upheld it. state, local and federal governments should not have to look over their shoulder at every issue every time they decide to pass a public health measure or deny a permit for environmental reasons. that is why i oppose investor stake. the argument is to insure american investors have adequate protection so our goal should be to improve the legal system with our trading partners so they can develop their own property rights and strengthen their institutions. we seek to improve institutions and raise standards in other areas like labor. but in the legal system we are setting
mr. schumer say yes. senator brown, you are next. >> this is amendment number 17 striking the investing stake. it strikes language that refers to investor state dispute settlement which provides for an extra way for corporations to sue government for regulating or passing laws. corporations in one country suing a government in another country for a health and safety law or some law they have chosen to pass even when their courts upheld it. state, local and federal governments should not...
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mr. schumer. rich mr. nelson. awe. mr. machine desert. rich awe mr. chasy? awe mr. warner awe. chairman. no. chairman votes no. mr. chairman the final tally is 12 awes and 14 nays. the amendment is a not agreed to. any other a menment to the taa bill? i wanted to thank you and ranking member for an inch including collection of labor statistics in the modified mark on the customs endorsement bill. and one a menment is the ex-pavenths program and stability that i think is very important. and where we are going to open up the economic opportunities and also to talk about how we will train and skill a workforce. there was two witnesses at the hearing yesterday and both labor and business supported the apprentice program. and so, i would hope that we can look at this moving forward. so appreciate looking at that, the other within is obviously the clean energy tax credit which um. you know we have many jobs here that the u.s. can be competitive in. i look forward to working with you on both amendments in the future. i thank you very much. as you know. you filed to the taa bill and i
mr. schumer. rich mr. nelson. awe. mr. machine desert. rich awe mr. chasy? awe mr. warner awe. chairman. no. chairman votes no. mr. chairman the final tally is 12 awes and 14 nays. the amendment is a not agreed to. any other a menment to the taa bill? i wanted to thank you and ranking member for an inch including collection of labor statistics in the modified mark on the customs endorsement bill. and one a menment is the ex-pavenths program and stability that i think is very important. and...
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mr. schumer, aye. ms. cantwell, aye. mr. nelson, aye. mr. menendez, aye. mr. carper aye. mr. carden, aye. mr. brown, aye. mr. bennett, aye. mr. casey, aye. mr. warner aye. mr. chairman, aye. >> clerk announce the vote. >> 26 ayes and zero nays. >> the amendment is granted. >> distinguished senator from oregon? >> this is amendment 70, and i'm sponsoring this amendment with my colleague senator brown. it reflects a critically important value. that is the elimination, once and for all, of forced and enden indentured labor, including child labor. you want to thank senator brown on his work on this issue and nora todd for the hard work she's put in. it's worth noting our former colleague has previously championed this issue for years. currently, u.s. law permitted the importation of goods made with indentured or forced labor if the goods are not made in the united states, in sufficient quantifytyies to meet demand. this is direct. it says there is never, never a time when forced labor is acceptable. this is 2015. there is absolutely no room in our trade policies for any exception
mr. schumer, aye. ms. cantwell, aye. mr. nelson, aye. mr. menendez, aye. mr. carper aye. mr. carden, aye. mr. brown, aye. mr. bennett, aye. mr. casey, aye. mr. warner aye. mr. chairman, aye. >> clerk announce the vote. >> 26 ayes and zero nays. >> the amendment is granted. >> distinguished senator from oregon? >> this is amendment 70, and i'm sponsoring this amendment with my colleague senator brown. it reflects a critically important value. that is the...
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mr. schumer: thank you madam president. i rise today to discuss the nomination of loretta lynch a proud new yorker and soon to be attorney general of the united states of america. born in north carolina, her father was a fourth-generation baptist minister a man who grew up in the segregated south and her mother picked cotton when she was a girl so her daughter would never have to. well their daughter grew up to be one of the keenest legal minds our country has to offer someone who has excelled at every stage of her education and her career. while cultivating a reputation well deserved, as someone who is level-headed fair, judicious and eminently likable. madam president, if there's an american dream story loretta lynch is it. and still despite her intellectual and career achievements miss lynch has always been a nose-to-the-grindstone type, rarely seeking acclaim only a job well done. throughout her career, she's had a yearning to serve the public which began when she took a 75% pay cut to join the eastern district as a pro
mr. schumer: thank you madam president. i rise today to discuss the nomination of loretta lynch a proud new yorker and soon to be attorney general of the united states of america. born in north carolina, her father was a fourth-generation baptist minister a man who grew up in the segregated south and her mother picked cotton when she was a girl so her daughter would never have to. well their daughter grew up to be one of the keenest legal minds our country has to offer someone who has excelled...
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mr. schumer? >> aye by proxy. >> ms. stab my? >> aye. >> ms. cantwell? >> aye. >> mr. nelson? >> aye. >> mr. menendez? >> aye. >> mr. carper? >> aye. >> mr. cardin? >> aye. >> mr. brown? >> aye. >> mr. bennett? >> aye. >> mr. casey? >> aye by proxy. >> aye by proxy. mr. warner? >> aye. >> mr. warner aye. mr. chairman? >> no. >> the chairman votes no. mr. chairman, 12 ayes, 14 nays. >> the amendment is not agreed to. any other amendments for the taa bill? senator cantwell? >> mr. chairman? yes, i wanted to thank you and ranking member wyden for including my amendment to approve collection of labor statistics in the chairman's modified mark on the customs and enforcement bill. i filed two amendments that i believe are critical to our competitiveness. one amendment is the expansion of the apprentice program and work force development which i think is a very important one as we talk about how we're going to open up economic opportunities in other countries. we also have to talk about how we train and skill a work force. we had two witnesses yesterday at the hearing. both labor and
mr. schumer? >> aye by proxy. >> ms. stab my? >> aye. >> ms. cantwell? >> aye. >> mr. nelson? >> aye. >> mr. menendez? >> aye. >> mr. carper? >> aye. >> mr. cardin? >> aye. >> mr. brown? >> aye. >> mr. bennett? >> aye. >> mr. casey? >> aye by proxy. >> aye by proxy. mr. warner? >> aye. >> mr. warner aye. mr. chairman? >> no. >> the chairman votes no....
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mr. schumer. no. mrs. stabenow, no. mr. nelson. aye. mr. mendez. no. mr. carper. aye. mr. cardin. aye. mr. brown. no. mr. bennett. aye. mr. casey. no. mr. warner. aye. mr. chairman. aye. chairman votes aye. >> report. >> 20 ayes six nays. >> the ayes have it and the resolution is ordered reported. ask consent the staff be granted authority to make technical, conforming and budgetary changes to all the bills reported today and without objection, it is so ordered. before we adjourn, if i could have order. if i could have order. i want to thank all of my colleagues for their participation today. and i especially want to thank senator wyden for his efforts throughout this process. we've worked very closely together and i've really appreciated it. as we noted today was a long time coming and i want to give credit for senator wyden for his leadership and willingness to reach across the aisle on these important issues. while the day didn't go off as well as i planned it we got a good debate and covered a lot of ground. believe me i recognize there are passively held beliefs on all sides of th
mr. schumer. no. mrs. stabenow, no. mr. nelson. aye. mr. mendez. no. mr. carper. aye. mr. cardin. aye. mr. brown. no. mr. bennett. aye. mr. casey. no. mr. warner. aye. mr. chairman. aye. chairman votes aye. >> report. >> 20 ayes six nays. >> the ayes have it and the resolution is ordered reported. ask consent the staff be granted authority to make technical, conforming and budgetary changes to all the bills reported today and without objection, it is so ordered. before we...
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mr. schumer: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from new york. mr. schumer: i ask unanimous consent the quorum be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. schumer: thank you madam president. i rise today to discuss the nomination of loretta lynch a proud new yorker and soon to be attorney general of the united states of america. born in north carolina, her father was a fourth-generation baptist minister a man who grew up in the segregated south and her mother picked cotton when she was a girl so her daughter would never have to. well their daughter grew up to be one of the keenest legal minds our country has to offer someone who has excelled at every stage of her education and her career. while cultivating a reputation well deserved, as someone who is level-headed fair, judicious and eminently likable. madam president, if there's an american dream story loretta lynch is it. and still despite her intellectual and career achievements miss lynch has always been a nose-to-the-grindstone type, rarely seeking acclaim only a job well don
mr. schumer: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from new york. mr. schumer: i ask unanimous consent the quorum be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. schumer: thank you madam president. i rise today to discuss the nomination of loretta lynch a proud new yorker and soon to be attorney general of the united states of america. born in north carolina, her father was a fourth-generation baptist minister a man who grew up in the segregated south and her...
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schumer: i do. my bill just applies to china. mr. donahue. mr. donahue: as we have debated many subjects, as we know, that the china card, so to speak, is an issue we'll be dealing with for many years. it's complicated by serious problems in china as well. economic problems. my view about this bill is that there is a very serious attention to currency. as it should be. and it is at a point where i would encourage moving ahead without major amendments. in terms of dealing with currency outside the bill, there are a lot of things here that are important. mr. trumka said, japan is a currency manipulator. they sure were back then. but they haven't been for a long time. people would accuse the united states of currency manipulation when we were dealing with the crises of recent years when we were handling and managing our interest rates and other factors that came out of the fed. the specific challenge that you raise about china is one that we will deal with for all of our lifetimes. i am very willing and very anxious to talk about other, beyond this
schumer: i do. my bill just applies to china. mr. donahue. mr. donahue: as we have debated many subjects, as we know, that the china card, so to speak, is an issue we'll be dealing with for many years. it's complicated by serious problems in china as well. economic problems. my view about this bill is that there is a very serious attention to currency. as it should be. and it is at a point where i would encourage moving ahead without major amendments. in terms of dealing with currency outside...
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mr. chairman, i want to thank senator schumer for his work. now, we now, we have heard over and over again about china taking baby steps. we are at a.now where when we are in full he engaged in the global economy where that is just not enough. frankly, when we get to tpa and with all due respect him what is coming on tpp we want our trading partners japan to know that it is not okay to manipulate currency. it cost us millions of jobs see a price and a price and understand that a good chunk of that is because they cheat. and another tool to create a way to do something about it. i would urge a strong bipartisan vote. >> i appreciate our administration making the presentation, presentation but in all due respect we try this over and over again for ten years. sen. graham senator graham and i took a trip to china along with senator coburn ten years ago in an effort to try to get something done. starting to do something that might actually solve this problem and help america. i just have lost faith in the diplomatic back and forth. so i asked for a
mr. chairman, i want to thank senator schumer for his work. now, we now, we have heard over and over again about china taking baby steps. we are at a.now where when we are in full he engaged in the global economy where that is just not enough. frankly, when we get to tpa and with all due respect him what is coming on tpp we want our trading partners japan to know that it is not okay to manipulate currency. it cost us millions of jobs see a price and a price and understand that a good chunk of...
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schumer: i do. my bill just applies to china. mr. donahue. mr.onahue: as we have debated many subjects, as we know that the china card, so to speak, is a new shoe we'll be dealing with for many years. it's complicated by serious problems in china as well. economic problems. my view about this bill is that there is a very serious attention to currency. as it should be. and it is at a point where i would encourage moving ahead without major amendments. in terms of dealing with currency outside the bill, there are a lot of things here that are important. mr. trumka said japan is a currency manipulator. they sure were back then. but they haven't been for a long time. people would accuse the united states of currency manipulation when we were dealing with the crises of recent years when we were handling and managing our interest rates and other factors that came out of the fed. the specific challenge that you raise about china is one that we will deal with for all of our lifetimes. i am very willing and very anxious to talk about other, beyond this ag
schumer: i do. my bill just applies to china. mr. donahue. mr.onahue: as we have debated many subjects, as we know that the china card, so to speak, is a new shoe we'll be dealing with for many years. it's complicated by serious problems in china as well. economic problems. my view about this bill is that there is a very serious attention to currency. as it should be. and it is at a point where i would encourage moving ahead without major amendments. in terms of dealing with currency outside...
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mr. chair. senator schumer: thank you, mr. chairman, thank you secretary. mr. secretary, i was shocked and appalled by the gun smuggling ring that operated out of atlanta, georgia, in which criminals abused loopholes to bring loaded weapons right on to airplanes. i know you shared my outrage when it was revealed by our d.a. in brooklyn. ken thompson. i applaud you for quickly acting and ordering a top to bottom review. can you provide an update in the security of our airports regarding t.s.a. activities, what changes can we expect, how long will it take? question one. i have a bunch of questions. i'm trying to move through these quickly. and how can they be held accountable for the security at the nation's airports? secretary johnson: good question. senator, you said you appreciated my candor at these hearings. so i have made a public fact of the record number of firearms seized by t.s.a. last year so -- at screening points in carry-on luggage. you can imagine my reaction when i found out that somebody is bringing loaded weapons in the overhead compartments of
mr. chair. senator schumer: thank you, mr. chairman, thank you secretary. mr. secretary, i was shocked and appalled by the gun smuggling ring that operated out of atlanta, georgia, in which criminals abused loopholes to bring loaded weapons right on to airplanes. i know you shared my outrage when it was revealed by our d.a. in brooklyn. ken thompson. i applaud you for quickly acting and ordering a top to bottom review. can you provide an update in the security of our airports regarding t.s.a....
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mr. chair. senator schumer: thank you, mr. secretary. mr. secretary, i was shocked aand appalled by the gug smuggling ring that operated out of atlanta georgia in which criminals abused loopholes to bring loaded weapons right on to airplanes. i know you shared my outrage when it was revealed by our d.a. in brooklyn. and you quickly acted in ordering a top to bottom review. can you provide an update in the security of our airports regarding t.s.a. activities, what canges can we expect how long can it take? question one. i have a bunch of questions. i'm trying to move through these quick lease. and how can they be held accountable for the security at the nation's airports? secretary johnson: good question. senator, you said you appreciated my candor at these hearings. so i have made a public fact of the record number of firearms seized by t.s.a. last year so -- at screening points in carry-on luggage. you can imagine my reaction when i found out that someone's bringing loaded weapons in the overhead compartments of commercial airplanes. so i w
mr. chair. senator schumer: thank you, mr. secretary. mr. secretary, i was shocked aand appalled by the gug smuggling ring that operated out of atlanta georgia in which criminals abused loopholes to bring loaded weapons right on to airplanes. i know you shared my outrage when it was revealed by our d.a. in brooklyn. and you quickly acted in ordering a top to bottom review. can you provide an update in the security of our airports regarding t.s.a. activities, what canges can we expect how long...
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mr. dufruri let me start with you. senator schumeron the corker billleader signed on the corker bill saying wait a minute, we want a say. you say that's not the right way the deal should go down. >> well, i think there are a lot of democrats who believe congress should have a role in approving of this agreement, and in this case, nearly all the republicans in the senate agree with senator corker who pushed the bill forward to make sure the senate has a role. i believe the republicans will get enough democrats to make it veto proof, 13 democrats have to join the 54 senators. but then the question is if a final agreement is reached on june 30th will congress approve that agreement? i think that's closer. i think ultimately president obama will get the agreement passed. >> before i go to matt, david, you think if the 13 or 14 democrats join with the republicans and have a veto you think the president should veto a bill put on his desk that says give congress a shot at looking at this? >> well, i think that's up to the president. if the p
mr. dufruri let me start with you. senator schumeron the corker billleader signed on the corker bill saying wait a minute, we want a say. you say that's not the right way the deal should go down. >> well, i think there are a lot of democrats who believe congress should have a role in approving of this agreement, and in this case, nearly all the republicans in the senate agree with senator corker who pushed the bill forward to make sure the senate has a role. i believe the republicans will...
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mr. chairman, senator schumer, that some of our partners in tpp have been identified as currency manipulator manipulators. malaysia, japan and singapore have been identified as currency manipulators as well. >> i do my bill just applies to china though. >> senator, as we've debated many subjects, but as we know, that the china card so to speak is an issue that we'll be dealing with many years it's complicated by serious problems in china as well, economic problems. my view about this bill is that there is a very serious attention to currency as it should be and it is at a point where i would encourage moving ahead without major amendments. in terms of dealing with currency outside the bill there are a lot of things here that are important. mr. trumpka said japan was a currency manipulators they were back then but haven't been for a long time. people would accuse the united states of currency manipulation when we were dealing with the crisises of recent years when we were handling and managing our interest rates and other factors that came out of the fed. the specific challenge that you raise
mr. chairman, senator schumer, that some of our partners in tpp have been identified as currency manipulator manipulators. malaysia, japan and singapore have been identified as currency manipulators as well. >> i do my bill just applies to china though. >> senator, as we've debated many subjects, but as we know, that the china card so to speak is an issue that we'll be dealing with many years it's complicated by serious problems in china as well, economic problems. my view about...
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mr. vice president, thank you for your comments today. thank you for your support and your wise counsel through this process. i have to thank senator schumer and senator leahy. thank you so much for being here. thank you for your support not just today but over the years and doing what i thought was impossible, making the senate a welcoming place for me and my family. thank you so much. thanks to my wonderful family. we are quite the force multiplier. many of you have come to know my father to this process. he has been in every hearing and every vote. it did not just start now. i remember looking up and seeing him in the gallery at my first trial. he was there for everyone. he has encouraged me in all things, even when my choices were not ones he would have made for me. he has been the best of fathers and i thank him. [applause] i hope you know that without him, i would not be standing here before you today having just been sworn in as the 83rd attorney general of the united states of america, just one week after his 83rd birthday. [applause] my mother could not be here today, but she is never far from my thoughts here it she grew up in a
mr. vice president, thank you for your comments today. thank you for your support and your wise counsel through this process. i have to thank senator schumer and senator leahy. thank you so much for being here. thank you for your support not just today but over the years and doing what i thought was impossible, making the senate a welcoming place for me and my family. thank you so much. thanks to my wonderful family. we are quite the force multiplier. many of you have come to know my father to...
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senator schumer: thank you for choosing me. i thank you, mr. chairman. occam, secretary johnson.re to see you and speak with you about the critical issues affecting our nation. i am proud of the work you have done. most americans join me. you have done a great job and i think i can speak for our friends on both sides of the aisle, you are always available, candid, ask the right questions you give answers. you are a credit to your department and the country. i want to tell you have a great staff. a hear from me constantly. new york is a terrorist target. your staff is fabulous. i thank you for that. you know the dhs is tasked with a range of responsibilities from guarding our borders and coastlines to administering immigration, responding when disaster strikes, shielding the president, securing the homeland. it is a huge job. in my area from the departments work directly impacts our economy as well as our security. whether it is bps bridge in buffalo, jfk international hurricane sandy relief efforts dhs work is vital to new yorkers . unfortunately, we had an appropriations battle
senator schumer: thank you for choosing me. i thank you, mr. chairman. occam, secretary johnson.re to see you and speak with you about the critical issues affecting our nation. i am proud of the work you have done. most americans join me. you have done a great job and i think i can speak for our friends on both sides of the aisle, you are always available, candid, ask the right questions you give answers. you are a credit to your department and the country. i want to tell you have a great...
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mr. vice president thank you for your comments and your steadfast support through this process and it has been quite a process. but i thank senator schumer and senator lay he. thank you for being here and for your support, not just today but over the years. and for doing what i thought was impossible. making the floor of the united states senate a welcoming place for me and my family. thank you so much. and of course, thanks to my wonderful family. as you can see all around you, we are quite the force multipler. many of you have come to know my father throughout this process. he has been at every hearing and every vote. but he didn't just start now. i remember looking up as a young ausa preparing to do my first trial and seeing him in the gallery. and he was there for every one there after. he has encouraged me in all things even when my choices were not the one he would have made for me and in that he has been the best of fathers and i thank him. [applause] >> i hope you know without him i would not be standing here before you today, having just been sworn in at the 83rd attorney general of the united states of america. just one week af
mr. vice president thank you for your comments and your steadfast support through this process and it has been quite a process. but i thank senator schumer and senator lay he. thank you for being here and for your support, not just today but over the years. and for doing what i thought was impossible. making the floor of the united states senate a welcoming place for me and my family. thank you so much. and of course, thanks to my wonderful family. as you can see all around you, we are quite...
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mr. vice president thank you for your presence, your comments today and also for your steadfast support and wise counsel through this process and it's been quite a process. i also have to thank senator schumer and senator leahy for being here and thank you for your support not just today but over the years and doing frequently what i thought would be impossible, making the floor of the united states senate a welcoming place for me and my family. thank you sir, thank you so much. and of course, thanks to my wonderful family. as you can see all around you we're quite the force multiplier and many of you have come to know my father throughout this process. he has been at every hearing and every vote. but it didn't just start now. preparing for a very first trial and seeing him in the gallery and he was there for everyone there after. he has encouraged me in all things even when my choices were not the ones he would have made for me. in that he has been the best of fathers, and i thank him. >> i hope you all know that without him i would not be stand hearing before him today having just been sworn in as the 83rd attorney general of the united states of america just one week after his 83rd birth
mr. vice president thank you for your presence, your comments today and also for your steadfast support and wise counsel through this process and it's been quite a process. i also have to thank senator schumer and senator leahy for being here and thank you for your support not just today but over the years and doing frequently what i thought would be impossible, making the floor of the united states senate a welcoming place for me and my family. thank you sir, thank you so much. and of course,...