mr. selman. my time has expired. but mr. keegan, do you want to respond? >> we've had trouble accessing funds from either program. in new york state a lot of funding goes to communities that have some sort of citation, some problem with their system. engineers work very hard to keep our systems smooth running. so we're sort of at the bottom of the pile. >> thank you very much. mr. chairman, rural america knows how hard it is to get blood out of a turnip. and i appreciate you having this hearing so that we can shed some light on how difficult it is to do this. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. and i thank my ranking member and my vice chair, who is trying to lead this charge too. last but not least, mr. kramer from the rural state of north dakota. you're recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman, from illinois and ranking member from new york for acknowledging rural america and for reminding us there are other rural places that are better known for their urban centers. it's good to have an alliance. my colleagues -- or my constituen