mr. sepich and mr. jackson, who by the way, mr. sepich was the visiting director, and mr. jackson is now the acting director after mr. talton was removed. >> yes, he was placed there by mr. sepich. he was the deputy network director. and when mr. talton was fired, robin jackson came in as the director. i think i pointed out he was woefully. >> and i'm a visitor here, so i have to be careful not to violate your rules of five minutes. but if i can just point out one other thing, mrs. flanz was in the room with me when i asked mr. sepich to be included in the same investigation that mr. tremaine was subject to intense interrogation. mr. sepich was the boss of the first senior administrator fired for mismanagement under the law this congress passed last august. mr. sepich quietly retired one week ago. thank you for letting me be here, chairman, and ranking member. thank you to mr. tremaine and dr. head and i just can't tell you how much i appreciate your encouragement and your willingness to help us get this right. >> thank you. and i think your passion speaks for itself. and

mr. sepich and mr. jackson, who by the way mr. sepich was the visiting director, and mr.ackson is now the acting director after mr. talton was removed. >> yes he was placed there by mr. sepich. he was the deputy network director. and when mr. talton was fired, robin jackson came in as the director. i think i pointed out he was woefully. >> and i'm a visitor here, so i have to be careful not to violate your rules of five minutes. but if i can just point out one other thing, mrs. flanz was in the room with me when i asked mr. sepich to be included in the same investigation that mr. tremaine was subject to intense interrogation. mr. sepich was the boss of the first senior manager fired for mismanagement under the law this congress passed last august. mr. sepich quietly retired one week ago. thank you for letting me be here, chairman, and ranking member. thank you to mr. tremaine and dr. head and i just can't tell you how much i appreciate your encouragement and your willingness to help us get this right. >> thank you. and i think your passion speaks for itself. and i think w

mr. robin jackson, the deputy network director over dalton during his tenure and who was immediately planted as interim director by charles sepich, the visiting director. dr. mousse and i were two seasoned and experienced yet idealistic newcomers to the leadership team in march of 2014. although we both identified scheduling manipulations, illegal hiring practices, continued use of paper wait lists, severely delayed consults, critical levels of understaffing, fraud, and a complete breakdown of human resources and the business office directly to dalton we quickly concluded he won support our efforts to hold staff accountable. in june of 2014 we were forwarded an e-mail send to talton in april of 2013 alerting him to critical scheduling manipulations from a staff position. since talton was publicly claiming no prior knowledge of any scheduling manipulations, we became seriously concerned about his integrity. and on june 11th raised those concerns directly to robin jackson and charles sepich. we also informed him we have been contacted by representative martha robie on june 10th regarding her face-to-face meeting with talton. immed

mr. robin jackson, the deputy network director over dalton during his tenure and who was immediately planted as interim director by charles sepich the visiting director. dr. mousse and i were two seasoned and experienced yet idealistic newcomers to the leadership team in march of 2014. although we both identified scheduling manipulations, illegal hiring practices, continued use of paper wait lists, severely delayed consults, critical levels of understaffing, fraud, and a complete breakdown of human resources and the business office directly to dalton we quickly concluded he won support our efforts to hold staff accountable. in june of 2014 we were forwarded an e-mail send to talton in april of 2013 alerting him to critical scheduling manipulations from a staff position. since talton was publicly claiming no prior knowledge of any scheduling manipulations, we became seriously concerned about his integrity. and on june 11th raised those concerns directly to robin jackson and charles sepich. we also informed him we have been contacted by representative martha robie on june 10th regarding her face-to-face meeting with talton. immedi