mr. shaughnessy was presented with us what i think it's been a basic knowledge of jefferson up until now a method very pinker, great philosopher, very religious in its own way, spiritual and seeing slavery, but in this big picture of history and how it might influence. your work seems to have brought out a different psychological jefferson that were not very familiar with. do you see the split in him? he compartmentalize his to the extent where he can be this philosophical thinker and see slavery as all the things mr. shaughnessy has shown us, the danger of freeing slaves than on the other hand this other side of him, this business i which is a a surprise to me. i'm not a scholar or historian, but that is this other part of jefferson that even he himself bb was in denial about and yet he was good at. >> well, i don't see him as compartmentalize. that is the formulation joseph it and i just don't buy it. it's based in large measure on things jefferson said about slavery and many of the statements that he made, some of his most ringing anti-slavery statement within agronomist issued its pr