mr. shimkus five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to submit the state of illinois, i don't want to go through it and want to submit that for the record. thank you, governors, for coming. utah and mississippi both run about 700 million-dollar deficit right now where i'm being told that massachusetts has a billion dollar deficit you'll have a balanced budget amendments. illinois is $13 billion in the whole. do you believe that the obamacare gives you the flexibility to address changes and medicaid give such a larger budget deficit under control? >> shortly, yes, sir. >> in utah our structural balance we have the deficit, the structural imbalance. we are not borrowing it's about $200 million, but this clearly, the cost to us as we move forward with the affordable care act will throw that out the window. >> it doesn't give the flexibility to meet your budgetary needs? >> it doesn't give us the flexibility. i guess the definition how flexible is flexibility? you know, there are some flexibility senate but again, if we have to maint

mr. shimkus, for five minutes for questions. >> thank you, mr. chairman. madam secretary, welcome. we've been waiting to visit with you for a long time. i would just state that, you know, it's funny that you mentioned nfib which is a national federation of independent businessmen were plaintiffs when i thought they've got such great small business tax credits that i wouldn't really expect them to be in opposition to this law. i'm just surprised to hear that. the other thing, you were a governor of a state, and i would imagine that had you been governing -- did you ever pass -- when, under your governorship, was budgets passed? did you pass budgets when you were governor? >> yes, sir. >> was the chambers held by just democrats in the senate and the house? or did you have -- >> never. >> what's that? >> never. >> never. and can you passed budgets? >> we did. >> and in the last congress we held, democrats held the house of representatives. that's true, right? >> and the house passed a budget. >> and they also passed the senate? >> they did. >> and we have a democratic president? >> ye

mr. shimkus: we are held captive to crude oil. we're stuck in a one-fuel technology and an above all energy strategy we envision a world where you go to a filling station and you have a fuel competing. you have coal to liquid technologies, you have liquid fuel by natural gas, you have renewable fuels by biomass, all these issues to help decrease our lines on imported crude oil. we have the capability for oil sand pipeline from canada. we really can be independent on our energy needs based upon north american energy resources. we have to be about that. for the administration to celebrate opening up one permit in the gulf coast is a joke. we ought to get our drilling rigs back operating. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. are there further one-minute requests? under the speaker's announced policy of january 5, 2011, the gentlewoman from the virgin islands, mrs. christensen, is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader. mrs. christensen: thank you, mr. speak