let me take what mr. shnur said and go to mr. seton who's from memphis. mr. shnur suggested it would be improved if we had a larger insensitive for teacher -- incentive for teacher evaluation. mr. seton, tennessee is going through a teacher/principal evaluation process. i think every -- almost every teacher is involved in it. and that's the result of a program race to top which had an incentive to -- states who wanted to, to do teacher and principal evaluation. what -- what's going on? what's your experience there in your school in memphis, how are teachers and principals responding to it? and what role do you think the federal government ought to have in requiring it, defining it and regulating it? >> good morning. thank you to the chairman and all of you for having me here. we in tennessee are actually i believe setting the standard nationally and hopefully people will start paying attention to what we're doing with regards to the evaluation. we know that if you want something, you have to inspect it or you have to evaluate it. and so we took the lead with a

next is mr. shnur. he's the cofounder of no leaders. no leaders for new schools. he's developed national educational policies on teacher and principal quality, after-school programs, charter schools and preschools. and i would now invite senator paul to introduce the next person. >> well, i'm pleased today to have pam here, a gifted and talented teacher and i think one of the great successes of our kentucky public education. and i really am glad that we were able to have this hearing to talk about the bill before it's final to get your input and to get your understanding and your input as to how we can change and make no child left behind less of a federal burden on teachers and principals and superintendents and all the educators. thank you for coming. >> thank you, senator paul. next, we have tom luna, the idaho superintendent of public instruction. mr. luna currently serves as president elect of the council of chief state school officers. he will serve as president beginning in 2012. next is katie bay-niece, a senior vice president with easter seals. she does i