mr. sims does not report to him directly, but he does report to mr. bryan. all the people who work in the dnc bp organization openly report to mr. bryant. >> ok. so mr. o'brien was vp for drilling and completion and he is the senior guy. he had knowledge of the well- designed and the daily operation. when he landed on the deep water horizon, he became the senior vp representative, is that correct? >> i would not see it that way, capt. the person who is in charge on the person who is in charge on the rig is the well site leader. >> the well site leader -- he can do what ever without to saying, not without discussion without -- with mr. o'brien. >> he can follow the procedure that we have in place. i am sure that if there was an issue that he wanted to discuss, he could have discussed it with mr. o'brien dread the well site leaders cannot just do anything they want to do. we have a procedure. >> that is fine. in anticipated situations and it is not in the plan, what he asked mr. o'brien for his direction? >> i believe he would call me first. if it was an issue

mr. sims does not report to him directly, but he does report to mr. bryan.all the people who work in the dnc bp organization openly report to mr. bryant. >> ok. so mr. o'brien was vp for drilling and completion and he is the senior guy. he had knowledge of the well- designed and the daily operation. when he landed on the deep water horizon, he became the senior vp representative, is that correct? >> i would not see it that way, capt. the person who is in charge on the person who is in charge on the rig is the well site leader. >> the well site leader -- he can do what ever without to saying, not without discussion without -- with mr. o'brien. >> he can follow the procedure that we have in place. i am sure that if there was an issue that he wanted to discuss, he could have discussed it with mr. o'brien dread the well site leaders cannot just do anything they want to do. we have a procedure. >> that is fine. in anticipated situations and it is not in the plan, what he asked mr. o'brien for his direction? >> i believe he would call me first. if it was an issue,

mr. david sims? >> i saw david. we worked in the same general area, but we did not have many conversations. mostly that was a john and david would talk. >> how about anyone from anad arco? >> i did not have any meetings with them. >> to know if bp has a program that allows anadarco to have access to the well? >> typically, they would go through the land department to request documents or information they need or there would be interacting with somebody within the subsurface side, the operational geologist and get information through them. >> that is a process -- the thing i want to concentrate on is is there are program or partner of any well can go into login andnet system, have access to files that you are aware of? >> i do not know exactly. there is a share. point side. i do not know how that was set up for this particular well. i've seen that done in the past with partner operations. >> did you participate at any level in the application submitted to the mms for this well? >> i was copied on tehe latest apm subm