mr. sincroy a background on the case the president of the united states what's been happening and going on no attorney advise. i think the second option to do that in open section and go into closed session where we can solicit advise from starz and the third option go into closed session i think and get the advise of the city attorney. thoughts from the staff or fellow commissioners? >> sounds like all right. to me. city attorney. i think those all sounds like options to consider >> i think those are all options you can consider. >> well, i supposed there's another option to have a public hearing not limited as you limited the public portion of it. >> i supposition there's an option we can wave the attorney-client privilege and have the advice in open section i would strongly oppose waving the take advantage attorney-client privilege that's at issue. >> did you say oppose. >> i would oppose it. >> i'm with commissioner renne i mean we've talked about this long enough and everybody seems to want including, you know, the principles in this to have an open hearing let's have an open hearing.

mr. sincroy that was provided to the commissioners before the placing last meeting i got copies of everything that's listed but one was withheld because of the subject to the attorney-client privilege asserting that the attorney-client privilege on the material that was provided to the commissioners afforded. this is what 549.6.9 says for purposes of this chapter all expressions of the lawyer client privilege other than those provided in this section are here we go abrogated. this section is the inclusive session of the attorney-client privilege for the privileges of having the closed session sessions but it says that anything that you get before the closed session meeting is a public record flu disclosureable if >> lawyers don't agree i'll be happy to have the debate. so let's suppose there is a decision from the court of appeals you win. it's going to go to the supreme court i think you should ask your lawyers what their clans are because i will ask mine. but if you think about all of the work that's been done and the money spent by me and by you representing the taxpayers so far and this i

mr. sincroy has been do executive director so long as the sunshine ordinance has been in place he knows the requirement of the law and puts those generic meaningly descriptions so no one will know what you're talking about. you can be discussing a case related that was referred to the sunshine task force related to a matter and i won't know whether or not to come here and no one else if you can't put an agenda item on there that a person of reasonable intelligence can look at it and have an idea then it's not properly agendized you can dismiss it but the bottom line your obligation 0 is to enforce the sunshine ordinance, in fact, your violating it by putting generic descriptions it don't talk about it and we raise the issue and you treat it like it's a joke it's not frankly i'm getting sick and tired of coming here and pouting pointing out with the millions of dollars of staff time to even follow the basic points of the law the alone the intention that we need to have information to know what it is you're going to be discussing to make intelligent. >> patrick. i'm combine my public comment

mr. sincroy did it while i was out of the state cover their butts. you can look as disgusted as you want to silence is gotten >> items for future meetings pr any items that the commissioners want to propose for the future agenda. >> without necessarily conceding the merits of some of the argument made tonight i wonder and i'll ask the staff to look at this why we don't when we have these hearings on probable cause or a strimgs don't identify what the alleged violations are of what the statutory provisions of the code whatever it maybe so that the public would have some awareness ever what the subject matter is of the closed hearings. >> i agree if there's some way to put something general so people have some idea i think that makes sense that's something we should be doing. along those lines at some point i'd like to take up the comments made by those two individuals appeared to have given been given faulty information at least that's what their allegations is so the question is you know how do we make sure that people who want to run for office are