sirrah mr. sirri. -- mr. sirri. >> it had nothing to do with the cse program, in my view. >> ok. >> i think the observation you make is a good one, which is it is hard to prescribe the causality to the form and implementation of the regulatory oversight. i just make a comment that it is hard to prescribe the problem to institutional form. he sought investment banks, commercial banks, insurance companies, all sorts of entities failed. it seems what was common in these cases were the instruments. there were tied tightly to mortgages and, in some places, to commercial real estate. that seems to be what was common. in the regulated entities, the commercial banks, and the cse banks, and in a couple of other places, people understood the exposures. what was hard to appreciate was just a fine, reconciling the -- was reconciling what the market was telling you with something that happened that was outside of the can of what people expected. there were a number of things like that that happened. we spent a lot of time