mr. slahi was not approved for transfer at that time.mportant is there's also a new process for those who were not approved for transfer where he'll get a full hearing. his lawyer can fully participate. he can show that incarceration is not warranted because he doesn't present a significant security threat. one thing very important in this context, any information from torture or what's called cruel, degrading, or inhuman treatment, cannot be used. >> and ms. hollander, under questioning, mr. slahi said in the past he was a member of al qaeda. what kind of evidence can you present in this new hearing that might get him freed? are you convinced personally that he's no longer a threat? >> i'm convinced he was never a threat. he's innocent. he's never been charged with a crime all the time he's been there. at the time he joined al qaeda, that's not the same al qaeda that came to the united states. this was in '90, 1990, when the afghanis were fighting against the soviets with full support from the united states. so that's what -- that's whe

so i met with mr. slahior four times over the course of several months, and got to know him probably as well as any of the detainees i had contact with at guantÁnamo. >> and what was your impression of him? how did he affect you? >> it was an interesting contrast. he and tariq lived together in a compound of their own. at the time back in 2007, guantÁnamo was supposed to be the supersecret facility at you could not really talk about, but you could go out on google earth and you could see the compound where they lived in a vegetable garden that was between their two huts where they lived. a sharp contrast maybe five foot 610 pounds last time i saw mr. slahi and tariq was probably six feet tall and weighed over three and 50 pounds. just the physical appearance was like the odd couple. personality as well. tariq was polite, but did not carry conversation, where with mr. slahi, it wasn't getting him to talk, who's getting him to stop. he was very gregarious. he was very articulate. very bright. he was a was a pl