mr. snowden if mr. snowden shuts up. -- mr. pugh 10putin says he will only take mr. snowden if mr. snowden shuts up. his lawyer has kgb connections. >> what are the strategic considerations for russia? what's i think they are the relationship with the u.s. and on the other hand, maybe another episode of will i call the series of ankle kicks that russia and the u.s. have been exchanging. i would prefer to see the process go ahead sensibly. there are senses that may be a bomb a would not go to the g-20. maybe there are meetings between the two finance ministers. one sees this as not a very productive set of activities. >> how could this be resolved this man here in this transit area, without either country losing face? >> in the end, he has to go left or right, if i put it that way. if he ends up in a holding tank somewhere, on his way to some place that would be acceptable. we use time to solve the problem. howard constable would be -- how uncomfortable would be if he was there? >> you are saying that it is shades of the cold war. >> i think it is really about the u.s. believing that

prosecution that this persecution of mr snowden by the american government. in my opinion is a serious violation of human rights. because mr snowden is barred from a traveling anywhere his passport has been. and this. tells us that you can government. is reluctant to show. human approach. in its treatment of this individual who decided to go to a different country to another country after he had expressed a. citizen position here similar. disagreement with the government practice of phone tapping and citizens of both the united states in the nation's. first the most mature on your snowden is a courageous person he has a he is a hero. but i don't want for the most of africa. he did realize he was aware that he would. lose. every chance of seeing his wife and his kids that he will lose he celery and his standards of living. are the so that he did go public here. with a new thing of these and proceed into this. instance is a spy in a phone tapping by american special services and how exactly can you and other people present at the meeting help snowden get that s

and what can we expect from mr snowden in the coming days. well in the coming days he should receive these documents that will allow him to go through passport control here at this airport and then come through the exit and onto the russian soil proper because remember at the moment he does not have a valid passport or visa but these documents should arrive with him we understand within the next five days while his application for a temporary asylum is processed which could take up to three months the next thing is that he would require accommodations about something he would have to look for and then it's a question of waiting and seeing if he would actually receive. this temporary asylum so. effectively he's probably a man clearly much more to ease this afternoon and it could be a new life and a new chapter for him a russia well and i'm sure he'll be happy to stop being a teacher or fridays and whatever other few options that are available for him at the airports are to enter a farmer thank you so much for that update. well snowden's asylum

point an advisor to mr snowden anatoly. and he came into the airport. with it and bag that is reported to to hold some fresh clothes and those all important fresh documents for mr snowden pushing aside the police and the and b. journalists waiting with bated breath near the entrance to the area where mr snowden is being held right now we were we were able to get close enough to hear a little bit about what he told journalists to expect to hear very soon. i'm not going to comment on anything only after my consultations with edward i will be able to say something to you. so as impatient as we journalists are at this point to get an appearance for mr snowden or even a couple of words preferably as to what his plans are at this point he is still with his advisers and prepare preparing for his next move now if the decision at the end of this three months is favorable to snowden he says he plans to pursue work and to make russia his home now if the decision is not favorable there's a plan there too he plans to appeal that decision that shows just how serious

mr snowden to further damage u.s. interests we know that president obama and president putin discussed edward snowden over the phone we don't know how that conversation went but the obama administration's latest statements can give us an idea the state department has earlier reiterated washington's disappointment over snowden's meeting with human rights activists suggesting that somehow russian authorities could have been should have barred edward snowden from speaking take a listen we are disappointed that russian officials and agencies facilitated this meeting today by allowing these activists and representatives into the moscow airports transit zone to meet with mr snowden despite the government's declarations of russian's neutrality with respect to mr snowden so you're disappointed that they let someone into their own airport i don't know that well that they facilitated this event of course why because this gave a forum going to be should have before as before you forfeited his right to freedom of speech as well m

in moscow and washington neither leader neither will bomb and more proof can be happy about help mr snowden city in the moscow airport and didn't invite him to shoot but he can't talk for very political reasons obama needs to show he's tough on snowden. i can't believe that the united states actually wants to put snowden on trial because it was a fair trial a legal trial all snowden would have the right to subpoena american officials who have knowledge of all this intelligence he's exposed that would not be so i think there's a vested interest because with obama and putin to find a way to solve this problem so that neither is damaged politically so we'll see what kind of leaders they are for south american countries blowing to the mercosur trading block a recall in a basket has from european countries involved in the grounding of the bolivian president's plane your allies foreign minister says talks will be held with the representatives the member states also had tough words for washington defending their right to offer asylum to snowden human rights activist peter tatchell thinks the press

have in principle offered him asylum so this is the long term the short haul we do know is that mr snowden is probably feeling poor tease and he can look forward to starting perhaps a new life and a new chapter in russia. on that request for asylum in russia is accepted snowden is expected to apply for a long term protection in south america artie's contributor afshin rattansi says that the case has become a diplomatic headache for all countries involved. these applying for temporary asylum presumably so he could just go about his business as a normal citizen walk into the venezuelan embassy in moscow walk into the ecuadorian embassy and fill out forms and papers the obama administration was so quick to just say right make him a normal citizen and cause him trouble in this way well they didn't just go that route so drabble because most go to trouble because all sorts of governments trouble notably the bolivian one with of course the high jacking drove a. few weeks ago. good to make lots of allegations in the press and you'll see them in lots of right wing newspapers that the national secur

leadership both in moscow and washington neither leader neither obama nor putin can be happy about mr snowden sitting in the moscow airport and didn't invite him to show but he can't or seem very political reasons obama needs to show he's tough on snowden. i can't believe that the united states actually wants to put on trial because if it was a fair trial or a legal trial all snowden would have the right to subpoena american officials who have knowledge of all this intelligence he's exposed would not be so i think there's a vested interest bills with obama and putin to find a way to solve this problem so that neither is damaged politically so will now see what kind of leaders they are and now south american nations belonging to the trade bloc of recalled their ambassadors for talks from european countries they are all involved in the grounding of the bolivian president's plane this according to the euro why in foreign minister of the member states of also slammed washington for what they call a neo colonial mindset washington's unrelenting pressure on latin american governments is a blatant d

after being here for three weeks mr snowden should walk through the exit here and on to russian soil proper within a few days and that is because he has applied for temporary political asylum and although that could take three months to process in the meantime he is expected to receive documents within five days that then when i allow him to walk through passport control we should remember at the moment that he doesn't have a valid passport or a valid visa now his lawyer has said that mr snowden has applied for asylum because he fears for his own life should he return to the u.s. official that you typically. when asked by a migration service agent why he chose to file his petition in russia and why he came here he replied that he fears for his life and wellbeing and also fears that he could face torture or execution and what he says sounds quite convincing as the u.s. still of ministers both capital punishment and. therefore i believe that under such circumstances and considering his written petition he should be granted temporary asylum i think this would be a humane step and since

he also said that mr snowden's actions were actually in defense of human rights. human rights work usually carries some cost for those involved when this work is done under the auspices of the united states government with its financial and political support it's quite acceptable but when someone criticizes washington the situation becomes much more complicated the incident with the bolivian president's plane illustrated this mr snowden will have to find accommodation we're not quite sure what sort of help he will get to do that but we are told that's one thing he will have to do if he is granted temporary asylum it will mean for one year he will be able to live and work in russia as an ordinary russian citizen after that we're not sure what will happen maybe he will decide he likes it here maybe he will decide that he would like permanent asylum here he also has other options on the table notably latin america and three countries there venezuela bolivia and nicaragua have in principle offered him asylum so this is the long term the short haul we do know is that m

twenty is happening mr snowden obviously says he wants safe passage to lots in america is it possible for him to stay in russia prominent. i think that's up to edward snowden in all of this was the reaction of john kerry state department along department of justice in the united states to revoke a u.s. citizens passport i mean it's childish frankly snowden is this whistle blowing scene is this great whistleblower showing the american people that they live in a surveillance state and his passport is immediately taken it is up to edward snowden and as we have heard the recent reports that are coming out of that he's applying for temporary asylum presumably so he can just go about his business as a normal citizen walk into the venezuelan embassy in moscow walk into the ecuadorian embassy and fill out forms and papers the obama administration was so quick to just say right we'll spank him a non-citizen causing trouble in this way well they didn't just call them and so dribble because most trouble because all sorts of governments trouble notably the bolivian one where of course the hijacki

the chinese government if they had wanted to get what i think they might have wanted to get from mr snowden and they would have already got those information mr snow don't go into china would only cause trouble for china but now the chinese authorities are first they seem to be quite loyal to the leaker otherwise why would he choose to speak out while he was on their territory in hong kong but he was incredibly useful windfall for the chinese government when mr snowden spoke out and the fact that he spoke from a chinese territory and making it clear that one of those countries that were being spied on was china and that included even a chinese university that was really useful basis for the chinese government is to counter the american plane of chinese. side as phonology against the united states but do you think some of edward snowden's revelations actually work in china's favor. oh it certainly worked in china's favor because the reality is that . in this world everybody who's got the capability spying on everybody. each sure really is one to whether one can claim the moral high ground un

david maraniss there's no doubt that snowden is being persecuted on a global level. and mr putin you are now you said that the ecuador in the story just have conceded snowden's request for asylum are you still considering it that is is ecuador still considering the possibility of granting asylum to edward snowden or is it enough that countries have offered. and in my opinion the more countries who offer asylum the better naturally ecuador is still considering this possibility but it would be better if ten twenty one hundred states offered asylum instead of just three more countries should realize what he did what he uncovered and consider granting mr snowden asylum. if i recall r.k. asking if he got all those damn from us you know how significant is the information about the united states espionage that mr snowden revealed for ecuador ecuador has a long history of songs when it comes to the cia and. for example if he's a former cia agent revealed to us involvement in a school in acquittal. did this new information coming as it applies to the ecuadorian people or was they re

we've now learned from the lawyer representing mr snowden that russia could become his permanent you home if he does receive temporary asylum it will allow him to live and work freely in russia for one year and after that we are told he might apply for russian citizenship. he told me that he's going to stay in russia and i do not rule out but he may stay here permanently and become a russian citizen with all the rights and responsibilities while the lawyer added that mr snowden has been down while he's been holed up at sheremetyevo airport over the last three weeks and was very surprised at the intensity of the manhunt but he says that mr snowden has every chance of getting asylum and says the main reason he has asked for it is because he fears for his own life if he returns back to the u.s. . when asked by immigration service agent why he chose to prosper titian in russia and why he came here who replied that he fears for his life and well being and also fears that he could face torture or execution and what he says sounds quite convincing as the u.s. still administers both capital

that arena nice to see you so how can we had any official official reaction from russia regarding mr snowden's asylum well we do know that russia has immigration officials say they have not received snowden's official requests for asylum you have to understand though that snowden did say that he's planning to officially ask russia for a temporary asylum on friday nights or perhaps it's because of the weekend that we haven't seen any movement in that direction and perhaps in the coming days we will see more in that regard snowden does need some sort of people work in order for him in order to provide safe passage to whichever country he will end up staying at permanently he has applied to more than two dozen countries for political asylum three latin american states are willing to see snowden move. move on there is soil because he has no people work as he is living as his american passport has been the knowledge and he simply cannot even buy a ticket without having a document so he's asking russia to help him out in that regard or whether or not he'll be a granted a permanent or temporary asylu

of the manhunt but he says that his client mr snowden has every chance of getting asylum and says the main reason he has asked for it is because he fears for his own life if he returns back to the u.s. . when asked by immigration service agent why he chose to prostitution in russia and why he came here he replied that he fears for his life and well being and also fears that he could face torture or execution and what he says sounds quite convincing as the u.s. still administers both capital punishment and torture. now edward snowden has also said that he would not release the documents which could damage u.s. interests while he is on russian territory in his words mr snowden has said that is something he can do it is an important point though because president putin has made this a precondition for asylum and he says that in this whole saga it has been russia's role to take a humanitarian stance and the actions it is taking should not be regarded as hostile towards the u.s. and the also said that mr snowden's actions were actually in defense of human rights those issues militants on t

as i understand it mr snowden has not yet applied for asylum. in russia. and mr putin president putin doesn't quite understand but from what i've read mr snowden in my view is to have a clear strategy in terms of what he does of these doing and i'm certainly not here to giving legal advice because on prevented from giving pretty probable advice to him that i would recommend to mr snowden that he needs to engage u.s. counsel he's a u.s. citizen charged with u.s. crimes and you used to be advised of what it is he can and he cannot do at this point i see him similar to a ping pong ball he seems to be bouncing all over the place now he had a request for the refinement of russia and then rescinded that request and now he's announced that he'd like temporary asylum although yes as you say russian authorities have said that they have not react received that application or any formal application for temporary asylum now let me ask you about the idea of temporary asylum is it realistic here. well i think that. president putin has made an offer to talking about legal

leadership both in moscow and washington neither leader of the obama nor prove can be happy about help mr snowden sitting in the moscow airport who didn't invite him to be sure but he can't toss him out for very political reasons obama needs to show he's tough on snowden. i can't believe that the united states actually wants to put snowden on trial because it was a fair trial a legal trial all snowden would have the right to subpoena american officials who have knowledge of all this intelligence he's exposed to that. by think there's a vested interest bills with obama and putin defined a way to solve this problem so that neither is damaged politically so will nasty what kind of leaders they are. the latest revelations of the whistleblower saga on our website r.t. dot com including claims by a guardian journalist snowden has specific blueprints of how the n.s.a. operates there is more news for you including russia staging its longest military drills in soviet times about one hundred sixty thousand servicemen a thousand tanks hundred thirty planes taking part in the exercise full story on our websi

mr snowden to further damage u.s. interests. the state department went further with its disappointment over snowden's meeting with human rights activists suggesting that somehow russian authorities should have prevented edward snowden from speaking take a listen. we are disappointed that russian officials and agencies facilitated this meeting today by allowing these activists and representatives into the moscow airport's transit zone to meet with mr snowden despite the government's declarations of russian's neutrality with respect to mr snowden sorry you're disappointed that they let someone into their own airport and allow it well that they facilitated this event of course why because this gave a forum going to be should have before there's a for you forfeited his right to freedom of speech as well met miss mr snowden as we've talked about let me just say this because i think it's important he's not a whistleblower he's not human rights activists he's wanted on a series of serious criminal charges brought in these certain easte

i mean the democracy is a form of governance but i think what you can tell from mr snowden's. is that it's not just the election process as trade but he also believes it values stake human rights the dignity and sanctity of like a person's private lives and the importance of granting people a private life in order to usefully participate in a democratic process so premisses one of the preconditions for us being able to. develop as democratic human beings and participate meaningfully in such a process and saw countries where previously it's not best preserved always run the risk of not may be holding up to the democratic values very well. in the riots and the media. from the power of policy a media thank you very much indeed. so snowden is now waiting for his request to be reviewed by russian officials unless this conversation with r.c. is news and so i have a cross he here with me in the studio that nice to see you so what can we expect next. well our understanding is that the. initial request is additional submission that's been been confirmed by the federal migration service

and he also said that mr snowden's actions were actually in defense of human rights . human rights work usually carries some cost for those involved when this work is done under the auspices of the united states government with its financial and political support it's quite acceptable but when someone criticizes washington the situation becomes much more complicated the incident with the bolivian president's plane illustrated this well in the coming days he should receive these documents that will allow him to go through passport control here at this airport and then come through the exit and on to the russian soil profit because remember at the moment he does not have a valid passport or visa but these documents should arrive with him we understand within the next five days while his application for a temporary asylum is processed which could take up to three months the next thing is that he would require accommodation is not something he would have to look for effectively he's probably a man feeling much more it sees this afternoon and it could be a new life and a ne

interests while he was on the russian territory now his lawyer also sandbags mr snowden said that this is something that he could actually do and that is a very important point as basically these are the conditions that were voiced by president which in a couple of weeks ago the main conditions in which russia could actually grant mr snowden asylum now if he stops any activities which are. harming the u.s. interest and again according to his attorney our snowden said that this is something that he could actually do just that depends on how many documents certains already handed over to journalists that are still in the pipeline about to be released here in the united states senator lindsey graham floated the idea of the united states boycotting the olympics in russia in the state department is accusing russia of providing a propaganda platform distorting really just about thirty seconds left how is moscow reacting to some of those talk. right will present. this in this ongoing saga russia's role as humanitarian and the actions that are taken should not be regarded as hostile towards th

it seems that mr snowden's plight and the witch hunt that's going on for mr snowden is sort of taken over the real story which is in my opinion the fact that our government is in violation of our constitution spying on our own citizens and it's unfortunate that the press especially the western press in the press in the united states is just concentrating on mr snowden the person you know and not the story itself and also snowden so said he accepts russia's asylum conditions and won't harm the u.s. father how exactly is hom being defined here well that's a good question. in my opinion if he were to make sure that the information that he's given out is directed towards the violations of the law in the constitution that the united states is committing against its own citizens citizens then then that's a heroic act but if that transcends into how we do our business in the intelligence world it ultimately we lose our capabilities against legitimate targets then then that becomes a problem so i certainly hope mr snowden will not give away what we call methods and sources and ultimately jus

mr. snowden, a whistle blower or a criminal or what? >> certainly he is a whistle blower by any reasonable standards. if i'm a whistle blower he is a whistle blower. i'm glad there is a dispute about that because in my day that was not an honorristic term, it was like trait. there is no question that he is and i'm confident that he is not a traitor. any more than i am and i'm not or mr. mukasey. by the way when mr. mukasey says that the russians now have access to what he has, i believe actually, what mr. snoant, edward snowden has told as of today, former senator gordon humphrey, he assured them that the people are wrong, he used to teach computer security to dia and he was confident that even our own nsa was not capable of getting the secrets. i think it's mistaken to say

and i think the russian government would be happy to be well rid of mr snowden but when is that going to happen i don't know i mean if i had to if i to really predict this you know call this down the line and say that mr snowden will spend the next six to twelve months cooley his heels in moscow and then after things have the headlines of turning to other places somehow he will magically pop up in caracas well could be twelve months in the transit zone and there paul well it may go away and say ted thanks very much if thoughts interesting to hear what you have to say thanks very much ted rall there live in the states and we're getting more reaction from washington in a moment u.s. state department spokesperson has spelled out america's disappointment with the meeting that took place in port but a comments prompted some retorts of questions from the journalists and have a listen to what was asked and said. we are disappointed that russian officials and agencies facilitated this meeting today by allowing these activists and representatives into the moscow airport's transit zone to meet