mr. snowden and he evaded your question completely. it is true that senator wyden has gone around for years trying to start a debate but didn't tell the american people about what the government was doing. so we couldn't debate it. it took edward snowden to come forward and came forward in large part because he heard director clapper, the senior u.s. national security official tell the senate and the american people falsely that the government was not doing exactly the program that the court today said was illegal. so to have an appellate court, the first time an apel late court looked at the legality of the program, come out and

mr. snowden, along comes mr. greenwald and a couple of others and lay out for us exactly what has been going on without the upset of the people. and i thought, thank god, thank god. >> glenn greenwald, i've been watching this fairley carefully and i don't have a big stack of public apologies. do you? or to edward snowden here. is this the only one? is this the first one? have i missed a few? >> no. i think it's hard not just in politics, but as a human being to do what mr. carter did, to first re-evaluate and publicly admit that your original opinions weren't accurate. i think that's hard for all of us to do. there have been some people who have done it. there was a vicious post about snowden early on and said later on, i've thought about it and everything i said was wrong. he wasn't in it for fame or money, he was in it because he believed the public had a right to know. juan williams just wrote a column in "the hill" that said he was wrong, in light of the court says that he was this program was illegal, in lig

mr. snowden's leaks, the more urgent issue companies and analysts say is economic. despite the tech companies' assertions that they provide information on their customers only when required under law and not knowingly through a back door the perception that they enable the spying program has lingered. >> the house last week approved a bill ending the n.s.a.'s bulk collection of phone data. senator paul claims president obama has the ability to end that program without congressional action. >> we are getting a new look inside the world of osama bin laden. u.s. intelligence agencies released hundreds of books letters and documents found inside his compound after the raid that killed him. we have details from washington. >> the documentation paints a picture of a leader increasingly ignored and isolated, a man urging followers not to gather in large groups in case of drone attacks and not to use email for sensitive messages. he called on them to focus on striking inside america and its interests abroad. he also advised against regional attacks especially in yemen. late

mr. snowden disclosed documents in june of 2013. and there is a fine expectations for privacy in the modern age. this is also about the many people that we have worked with and the expert advisors who are technology experts and those that provided the building blocks for modern security standards that all of you rely upon when you go online and you make a purchase through amazon and you type in your credit card number, there's a reason you can do that securely and that is because in the early days certain decisions were made about ensuring that your credit card number can pass to the host computer without anyone getting access to it. at least in theory if that works at the great thing because business online becomes possible. but when it doesn't work there are enormous problems. so for the last 20 years we have also looked at the challenges pointing to the risks that the nsa created when they said that we don't necessarily want people and it's possible that that might be misused and that could be used in ways that pose risks to publ

mr. snowden could have done. instead of leaking the order he could have leaked the database to somebody. we do not know what happens when some inhabitant of the white house, this one or another one has a plumbers unit and decides to let them have access to the database. these are realistic concerns about letting the government have this massive body of data without anything -- i am sure your answer could be whoever makes the rules, they could be abused. if you told the government you can't do this, has a technological capacity and if we haven't -- if we have a government that breaks the rules, they could get it anyway. we may not know if they are bad guys. but there are levels of restriction. it is one thing to have congress adopt a program and say this is what it is and we have considered what needs to be done to give protection and one that says we have determined what is relevant but they should be careful how they use it. and then we infer from that this massive program. >> the record on the enactment of sect

mr. snowden, by the way for better or worse and they are not in the same level of accountability as public employees. and then finally, right on top of that explosive expansion of technology. so you've got a bigger public community. add to that a private side of the dimensions we do not know and maybe even the president of the united states does not know. and then the ability to bring out of the ether any individual and america or the world. it is a brave new world. >> high. i want to talk about intelligence agency charters one of the big projects that came out of the committee mr. vice president, there was actual work done on this inside the administration early in the carter years. if you look at the paperwork and that you see suddenly the administration started out supportive of the intelligence agency charters and just tops doing anything and then senator hart the senate intelligence committee which pushes on charters stops after 1980. i would like to get your reading did we lose an opportunity there? should we have charters for our intelligence agency? how would we go about doing that

mr. snowden is in exile, just like the draft resisters during vietnam. another reminder of the past. our military budget is astronomical. it is at least seven times as big as the military budget of the seven countries that are next in line to us. is there a vietnam syndrome? have we learned about hesitating before we go to war? i believe military solutions are still default mode. for example, i give president obama great credit for trying to resolve a standoff with iran over nuclear weapons through diplomatic means, but just yesterday, he agreed with japan basically to form some kind of military alliance that undermines the japanese constitution it self against any offensive use of military. after world war ii, japan adopted a constitution that prohibited militarization of japan except for self-defense purposes, and here we are so many years later trying to undo that provision. for what purpose? to me, i'm not sure how much we have learned. have we learned a lot? we have learned some, but some of the basic lessons have not been learned. i meant to mention, also, by the way, in terms

mr. snowden and he evaded your question completely. it is true that senator wyden has gone around for years trying to start a debate but didn't tell the american people about what the government was doing. so we couldn't debate it. it took edward snowden to come forward and came forward in large part because he heard director clapper, the senior u.s. national security official tell the senate and the american people falsely that the government was not doing exactly the program that the court today said was illegal. so to have an appellate court, the first time an apel late court looked at the legality of the program, come out and decisively say it's legal is very gratifying. >> how comfortable are you the executive branch or the legislative branch are going to act on this? >> well in some sense, they need to act on it now because there's a court ruling that essentially said the program is illegal. and that although they're not stopping the program, they're giving congress an opportunity to stop it on their own. if they don't stop it th

mr. snowden, by the way, for better or worse and they are not in the same level of accountability as public employees. and then finally, right on top of that explosive expansion of technology. so you've got a bigger public community. add to that a private side of the dimensions we do not know and maybe even the president of the united states does not know. and then the ability to bring out of the ether any individual and america or the world. it is a brave new world. >> high. i want to talk about intelligence agency charters one of the big projects that came out of the committee, mr. vice president, there was actual work done on this inside the administration early in the carter years. if you look at the paperwork and that you see suddenly the administration started out supportive of the intelligence agency charters and just tops doing anything and then senator hart, the senate intelligence committee which pushes on charters stops after 1980. i would like to get your reading, did we lose an opportunity there? should we have charters for our intelligence agency? how would we go about doing t

mr. snowden. that hurt our effort to get the chinese to cut it out which they have not. >> and who are skyworks and avago? they are the brains in the apple phone. they are trying to recreate apple, and i say to them good luck. >> those weakening futures, down 20 points on the dow. bob pisani is on the floor. >> those housing start numbers are great news for the economy, great news for americans. not good news for the stock market at the moment. take a look at the s&p futures. right when those housing numbers came out, the dollar weakened. bond yields jumped up and we lost 3 4 points on the futures about 8:30 eastern time. april up 20%. not all multifamily. single family was strong. these are eye popping numbers. fantastic numbers. great news for the economy. home builders are up. no surprise there. a few percentage points. hovnanian, horton lennar. did you hear the ceo of home depot? stronger than expected start to the year as we experienced more normal spring season and continued recovery in the

mr. snowden, given the possible changes by the administration. director comey: yes. it's not much of a pursuit. we know where he is i do think he should have the opportunity. i think he should have that opportunity. which will result in staying the way it was of the data being held by the companies which will make us more effective. my view of it is, you have to see the entire corpus of his work, before you start rendering judgment about what you think of the person. i think it is a serious criminal charges have been brought. >> finally, at these conferences talking about the cyber threats and proliferation of them. the many different actors out there. how difficult a problem it is. sometimes it can seem hopeless in terms of fighting back. are there good news and progress that we are making? in the daily drumbeat of revelations? stolen intellectual properties. you feel like we are making progress in a way that we're going to be able to beat back the threat? >> i think there is good news. i would not say it overwhelms the bad. i think the private enterprise is getting

mr. snowden could have done, maybe instead of linking the order he could have leaked the database. we don't know what happens when some inhabitants of the white house this one or another one have the unit and decide to let them have access to the database. these are realistic concerns about letting the government have this massive body of data without anything -- look. i'm sure look. i'm sure part of your answer has to be command it makes sense, whoever makes the rules they could be abused. if you tell the government they can do this, it has the technological pacitti's, they can get it anyway somehow to have all our phones and we would never know it. if they are bad guys these are restrictions but there are levels of restriction. you know it is one thing to have congress adopt a program and say this is what it is that we consider what needs to be done. and one that says, well, they can give what is relevant that they should be careful how they use it. then we infer from that this massive program. >> i think your honor the record on the enactment of section 215 and its extensions re

mr. snowden? >> yes. [laughter] eight is said much of the pursuit because we know where he is. i don't want to say much because he should have the opportunity to appear and meet charges in a fair system in the world he should have that opportunity people talk about the telephony embedded data but my view is you have to see the entire scope of his work before user rendering judgment what you think personally what he did i take serious criminal charges have been brought in a pending we just need him to appear. >> we are at these conferences talking about the cyberthreat proliferation of the different actors out there and how difficult the problem is with the private sector to see him hopeless is there progress we are making that we don't talk about it with revelations of stolen data or intellectual property to make progress in the way with the threat? >> there is good news. i would not say it overwhelms the bad but the private enterprise gets it at its act together in the ways that make it harder to have the doors kicked in with things stolen in we're getting much more effective

mr. snowden given the decision in the second circuit and the possible changes and reviews by the administration. director comey: yes. [laughter] [applause] director comey: it's not much of a pursuit. we know where he is. i don't to say much about it because i think he should have the opportunity to appear and meet charges. i think it is the fairest criminal justice system in the world. i think he should have the opportunity. people talk about his revelation of the metadata which will result in staying the way it was for the data being held by the companies which will make us more effective. my view of it is, you have to see the entire corpus of his work, before you start rendering judgment about what you think of the person. i think it is a serious criminal charges have been brought. they are pending. we think he ought to come and appear. >> finally, at these conferences talking about the cyber threats and proliferation of them. the many different actors out there. how difficult a problem it is. from the private sector, sometimes it can seem hopeless in terms of fighting back. are there good ne

mr. snowden could've done. maybe instead of leaking the order, he could've leaked the database to somebody. we don't know what happens when some inhabitant of the white house, this one or another one, has a plumber's unit and decides to let them have access to the data base. these are realistic concerns. about letting the government have this massive body of data without anything, but even the, of course, look, anyone i'm sure part of your answer has to be and it makes sense. whoever makes the rules, they could be abused. if we told the government it can't do this, it has a technological capacity. and imagining a government that breaks all the rules, they could get it anyway somehow. they could tap all our phones and we'd never know it. and if they're bad guys, these are all paper restrictions. but there are levels of restriction and, you know, it's one thing to have congress adopt a program and say this is what it is and we've considered what needs to be done to give protections, and one that says, well, they

mr. snowden through "the guardian" and others disclosed the existence of this program we no longer had reasonable expectation of privacy. we've just been told we don't have any privacy. that the government has it. and i would like you -- i suspect you can respond to that because you probably thought about it a lot longer than i thought about the question. but i wish you would focus and even forgetting smith v. maryland talk to me about reasonableness. in this case, the word reasonable is actually in the fourth amendment, right? talk to me about how we figure out, the three of us figure out what's reasonable and what isn't reasonable. >> sure. if i may i'll just briefly address your first question. which is now escaping me. >> now that everybody -- >> the supreme court has recognized that there's an element of circularity to the task test and that expectation of privacy can be defined if congress so chooses, through a statute that permits bulk collection. but it is guarded against that possibility by analyzing a normative question along with the test, which is whether people are objectively reason

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general terms what surveillance you think is currently being done -- julian assange and edward snowden. mr morell: second question, i have no idea. the first question, i obviously believe that security is very important, i wouldn't have spent 33 years of the central intelligence agency i didn't. i also believe that privacy and civil liberties of americans is extremely important. i am a supporter of the telephone metadata program. it fills important gaps that were there before 9/11. i believe -- i can't prove this. i can't a lot of evidence on the table to show this. but i believe that if the program been in place prior to 9/11, we might have seen some of the communication between the 9/11 hijackers. and maybe that would have allowed us to disrupt it, maybe not. we just don't know. but it was put in place specifically to fill a gap. i do get to remain. -- i think it should remain. let's start with a telephone metadata program first. i think it should remain, and in some ways i think it should be strengthened because it doesn't include all phone calls made in the united eights. it doesn't in

general terms what surveillance you think is currently being done -- julian assange and edward snowden. mr. morell: second question, i have no idea. the first question, i obviously believe that security is very important, i wouldn't have spent 33 years of the central intelligence agency i didn't. i also believe that privacy and civil liberties of americans is extremely important. i am a supporter of the telephone metadata program. it fills important gaps that were there before 9/11. i believe -- i can't prove this. i can't put a lot of evidence on the table to show this. but i believe that if the program been in place prior to 9/11, we might have seen some of the communication between the 9/11 hijackers. and maybe that would have allowed us to disrupt it, maybe not. we just don't know. but it was put in place specifically to fill a gap. i think it should remain. let's start with a telephone metadata program first. i think it should remain, and in some ways i think it should be strengthened because it doesn't include all phone calls made in the united states. it doesn't include metadata fro

the warrant revealed by edward snowden said verizon. i do not know mr. verizon. they do not have a right to release my records. you put the individual's name on it, and you should have probable cause. i have a objection on privacy issues. on criminal justice issues, i think i can attract people beyond the republican party and not offend people in the republican party. the kid who makes a mistake with marijuana should not go to jail. a kid who makes a mistake with marijuana should not go to jail for 55 years. there was an article not too long ago. a kid named timothy tyler was caught with lsd at 23. she is 46 and will spend the rest of his life in prison. i do not approve of that. i do not want to put you in jail. particularly, these horrendous things where people are in jail for decades. when you look at the statistics of who is going to jail, disproportionately black hispanic poor. there is an inadvertent racial outcome from this. it is real. if you look at surveys of whites and blacks and drug use, whites are using just as much as blacks. the people in prison a

mr. edward snowden for waking the nation up to what is being done. thank you very much. thank you, isabella. this headline above the full from "the new york times" the piece points out that over the last few months, a longtime ally of hillary clinton has helped to organize private meetings around the country with union leaders clinton backers, democratic strategist. oppressing topic of who will step up to be the mega-donors in the 2016 presidential race ? we welcome norma from hastings england, to our for joining us. caller: hello, i would like to comment on two things. first of all, immigration. american people are suffering -- well, they believe they are suffering from the influx of people from latin america. well, yesterday on our news, it was about thousands more of immigrants coming from the middle east write-down from the likes of the coast from the areas that is facing europe write-down to africa. that continent is 10 times the size of the area that the people want to come to which is britain , portugal spain france, germany, and grace. grief is almost bankrupt, i

mr. snowden could have done, maybe instead of linking the order he could have leaked the database. we don't know what happens when some inhabitants of the white house this one or another one have the unit and decide to let them have access to the database. these are realistic concerns about letting the government have this massive body of data without anything -- look. i'm sure look. i'm sure part of your answer has to be command it makes sense, whoever makes the rules they could be abused. if you tell the government they can do this, it has the technological pacitti's, they can get it anyway somehow to have all our phones and we would never know it. if they are bad guys these are restrictions but there are levels of restriction. you know it is one thing to have congress adopt a program and say this is what it is that we consider what needs to be done. and one that says, well, they can give what is relevant that they should be careful how they use it. then we infer from that this massive program. >> i think your honor the record on the enactment of section 215 and its extensions re

the warrant that was revealed by snowden said verizon on it. i do not know mr. verizon. if you want my phone records but the individual's name on it and you should have probable cause. a great deal of objection on privacy issues. also on criminal justice issues. i think i can attract people beyond the republican party, but not offend people in the republican party. i think a kid who makes mistakes with marijuana should -- should not go to jail. they did an article not too long ago, a kid named timothy tyler was caught with lsd when he was 23. 23 years ago. he is 46 years now, but he will spend the rest of his life in prison for lsd. i do not approve of that. i do not want to put you in jail. if you look at the statistics of who is going to jail, disproportionately black hispanic poor. is there racism involved? there is an inadvertent racial outcome coming from this, but it is real. if you look at surveys of whites and blacks and drug use, whites are using drugs just as much as blacks. the people in prison are black because of the way we do our policing. it adds up over t

mr. litt: that is example of what is wrong with a lot of media coverage, and even edward snowden said he thinks a lot of the press reporting has gone too far. that story made absolutely no distinction between technical capabilities and legal authorities. there are all sorts of technical capabilities that exist. i am not commenting on the existence or nonexistence of any such authority. the question is when are they used and what are the legal authorities under which they are used. that is something that a lot of the press reporting completely ignores, including that story you wrote. [indiscernible] mr. litt: you know what the legal authorities are. you know the authorities under which nsa can collect. it's not use any technical capability to do things that it is not allowed otherwise to do. mr. vitka: anyone else with a question? >> thanks for all the panelists coming out today. really appreciate it. like mieke, i'm former staff and i do not work on the committee myself, but i have worked for one of the members, who i think, bob, you knew i had interaction with. one of the things that he

the warrant that was revealed by snowden said verizon on it. i don't know mr. verizon and mr.on has no right to release my phone records. if you want my phone records you put the individual's name on it and you say what papers you want and you should have probable cause that the person committed a crime. a great deal of objection on privacy issues but also criminal justice issues. i'm one of those who i think can attract people beyond the republican party but i'm not a fan of people. i think a a kid that makes a mistake for marijuana shouldn't go to jail. i don't think that a kid that makes a mistake with marijuana should go to jail for 55 years. "rolling stone" had a series and they did an article not long ago. a kid named timothy tyler was caught with lsd when he was 23 23 years ago. he is 46 now that he will spend the rest of his life in prison for lsd. i don't approve of that. i think lsd is better marijuana is bad but we want to put you in jail particularly this horrendous things happening where people go to jail for decade after decade. if you look at the statistics who

snowden that did this country a great service by bringing this to light. i support the patriot act, but the metadata is scary. host: sorry about that, john. mr. bradbury? est: i welcome the debate we are having over this issue. certainly the disclosures from edward snowden did talk to debate over this program at the caller has a good point -- product the debate over this program and the caller has a good point that there should be more of a national debate over this type of tool and the need for this. i think the need -- the fact that there was not more of a debate and disclosure earlier really puts the government and intelligence community at a very serious disadvantage in responding to the public controversy and debate. as we have seen, it is very easy to, i think, exaggerate the privacy invocations of this program because of the broad nature of the calling records involved and it does necessarily have to improve a very large set of -- if not copy has upset -- comprehensive set of the phone numbers that individuals have called. i think once that basic fact is out, and country understands it, i think we can have reasonable debate about whether this is

reacting to how the public and the congress reacted to snowden, and they are saying maybe it is not quite so scary as we thought to go against the government. mr. vitka: i want to move on, because -- but i thought you might have the best you as to how mike this ruling influence of politics of this, the congressional will. ms. eoyang: i think the second circuit put this back in congress' lap and say congress did not authorize this under 215 and if they want to be explicit about that, they need to ask. they made note of the timeline. there is an analysis of the 215 program that suggests they would not look kindly upon it the way it is currently constructed. i think there is politics in this. in the house you would not get a clean reauthorization of the program through, so the real question for senator mcconnell to take the legislation or do you let the program expire. mr. vitka: i want to highlight this was a reuters report, and it detailed an

snowden blindfold act." the headline on the "wall street journal" today. i ask that it be included in the record. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mcconnell: finally i'd like to ask the senior senator from north carolina, who's the chairman of the intelligence committee the following question. why was it necessary to enact the provisions of the patriot act after the attacks of 9/11 9/11/2001 and why are they relevant today given the threat we face from isil and al qaeda? mr. burr: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from north carolina. mr. burr: madam president i appreciate the question that the leader has asked me and i would also ask unanimous consent to enter into a colloquy with my republican colleagues. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. burr: the leader raises a great question and it's really the purpose that section 215 was created. it's the reason that the n.s.a. looked at ways to effectively get in front of threats take us back to 9/11 and the attacks. and as we reacted through our law enforcement tools within the united states we used an instrument called a national security letter. they pro

mr. snowden spoke out publicly, pointed that out, and since that time, mr. president, the head of national intelligence and his representatives have given at least five different explanations for why that answer was given. so that's why you've got to ask the hard questions. you've go to to got to ask the hard questions about these issues. and i see my friend and colleague, senator heinrich, has joined us here tonight. and i am so pleased that he has joined the intelligence committee because senator heinrich is one of those senators who subscribes to that view that i just mentioned that it's our job to ask the hard questions. it may be uncomfortable it's not designed to in any way convey disrespect. but we see it as our job to ask the hard questions. and i'd be interested in my colleague's thoughts with respect to this issue and having him being given a chance to participate in this colloquy. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. heinrich: first off, i want to thank my friend from oregon and to recognize the substantial leadership he's shown on this i