mr. snowden is certainly exhibit a along that line. he is continuing to try to motivate people to disclose secrets he thinks would be important for the public to know in which would not in a direct or immediately injure national security. i admire the effort. i do not know how successful he will be. host: we will have a clip from daniel ellsberg in a moment. first, i want to show a clip on the publisher when she appeared on c-span in 1997 to talk about her autobiography and relationships with the players in the pentagon papers story. let's take a look. [video clip] >> pentagon papers. how do you deal with it in a town like this? do you ever get confused? >> no. because once people are in the government, the relationship changes. you can be friends with people in the government, but they and you remember the paper comes first. sometimes, the paper attacks your friends or does things you think are unfair to your friends. sometimes, you can reason with the editors. but mostly, you have to stand by them. host: talk about that relationship.

mr. snowden is certainly exhibit a along that line. he is continuing to try to motivate people to disclose secrets he thinks would be important for the public to know in which would not in a direct or immediately injure national security. i admire the effort. i do not know how successful he will be. host: we will have a clip from daniel ellsberg in a moment. first, i want to show a clip on the publisher when she appeared on c-span in 1997 to talk about her autobiography and relationships with the players in the pentagon papers story. let's take a look. [video clip] >> pentagon papers. how do you deal with it in a town like this? do you ever get confused? >> no. because once people are in the government, the relationship changes. you can be friends with people in the government, but they and you remember the paper comes first. sometimes, the paper attacks your friends or does things you think are unfair to your friends. sometimes, you can reason with the editors. but mostly, you have to stand by them. host: talk about that relationship.