mr. st. croix you were thinking that we might, you know, go through them and raise others of them at future times. did you think that the group that we looked at here were the only ones that you wanted to bring forward at this point? or is this a rolling process and how might we suggest if we... >> those were the specific things outlined in the report. and some of these others, you know, are based on the report and other comments. so, if there is any in particular, that you wanted to discuss, i think that we can do that. now. >> well, i don't want to drag it out. and i like the process of the staff giving us some idea of what the context is. and some of these may, in fact, the items that are important, but the others may be things where there is a factual misunderstanding or if we flag them and we may learn that there is already something that covers that point. >> so, one possibility would be for me to just let you know which ones i thought... >> i think that the chair and i discussed. >> that we

mr. st. croix on this. so i am looking at the memo on page six and it says from 2010 to 2012, lobbyists in san francisco reported 614,175 dollars in contributions, those are directly from the lobbyists themselves? >> yes. but i believe that they are not just a candidate committees, but also to the independent expenditures committees. >> but in any event, if we are talking about 80 some lobbyists a year, we are talking about more than $500 per lobbyist. >> there is no limit. >> fine, it is just that there is not just, it is not just swating a net. it is a lot of money that lobbyists are contributing. >> although, and i don't take a position, but i would think that two percent being a small share. >> 100 is a significant number from a small number of people. but two percent of all contributions is it enough to alter the landscape at that level? >> which way? >> 2 percent from a very small number of people. i mean,... >> i agree with you commissioner renne. but, i guess what i would say is perhaps it is at lea

mr. st. croix said is that the vendors floated loans to candidates and would later see if the candidates were going to be able to pay them back. they expected those candidates to win and when they won, to be able to lobby those candidates on behalf of the other clients and that became a standard way of doing business about ten years ago in this city. and it is less true today. but it was certainly prevalent at this time. you have people that you have never heard of in your life and suddenly had campaign consultants who were able to then raise the money to pay off the debts after they were in office as you can imagine. the desirability of contributing someone who is in office as opposed to someone who lost office is vastly different. >> and in this case, what you are really seeing is that within three months, they should be able to pay off, if it was a legitimate loan, you would look at the profession of whether or not it was after the election, the fact that it was the last ten or 20 days before th

mr. st. croix other members of his staff. >> um-hm. >>> so, i feel that the commissioners should be a little more authoritative in their role. >> okay, thank you. i have no further questions. but i would like to speak to mr. brett. mr. brett andrews. thank you, sir. sorry, you're not going to get away -- >>> yes. >> i'm warmed up now. >>> i see that. >> okay. so, you know, i think a lot of my questions are very similar to what i was asking the previous speaker. i would like you to describe to me your methodical approach to, to ethics complaints. how do you begin -- how would you approach to begin

mr. st. croix other members of his staff. >> um-hm. >>> so, i feel that the commissioners should be a little more authoritative in their role. >> okay, thank you. i have no further questions. but i would like to speak to mr. brett. mr. brett andrews. thank you, sir. sorry, you're not going to get away -- >>> yes. >> i'm warmed up now. >>> i see that. >> okay. so, you know, i think a lot of my questions are very similar to what i was asking the previous speaker. i would like you to describe to me your methodical approach to, to ethics complaints. how do you begin -- how would you approach to begin to resolve these ethical complaints? >>> well, first, there is a procedure in place. so, it's important to make sure that the procedure for filing that complaint was filed properly. a lot like in managing an organization, there is a procedure for filing a complaint and that would be in written form. we would make sure that, again, it was filed properly. and then engage the, the complainant to find out exac