mr. st. jermaine your comments particularly touched home with me. and it's never too late to be a police officer. and i think that we need people from communities such as yourself. and so what i'm asking you about is maybe some suggestions that you could provide on recruiting efforts. because one of the things that we have trouble doing, you know, we all talk about diversify of the police force, but you brought forward some of the exact obstacles that we face and what has been brought to the forefront in this is the distrust and the separation at times with the police department and the communities that we desperately want representation from and the viewpoints from. how do we bridge that gap and get over that wall so that we can do the proper recruiting we need to bring those viewpoints in? >> well thank you very much, first of all. and, you know, i do still think about becoming a police officer -- >> tucson's hiring. >> but, you know, it's a great question. i think first of all it's not going to hap

mr. jim st. jermaine, founder of preparing leaders for tomorrow. >> good morning. and thank you all for being here. and thank you for inviting me. to such an important conversation that we need to have. and, you know specifically wanted to thank mr. stevenson for a lot of the work that he has been doing. on behalf of every at risk youth and poor and young people around the nation, i want to thank you personally from my heart. you know -- and i also want to thank the other panelists. mr. jim winkler and carmen perez. and i also vow to not take so much of your time since i've already arrived late. and also a lot of the things that mr. winkler mentioned, i will just try to not rub it in too much. i grew up in brooklyn. i grew up in a pretty rough environment. and dealing with police officers officers it was a daily routine for us where i grew up. and i remember when i was about 9 years old, i actually wanted to be a police officer. i think it was my commitment and some of the things that i wanted to achieve. i wanted to do it through public service. and i feel like a