mr. stafford could bring with his background with his strategic planning, background, some value to the community as well and someone who did not appear us before, mr. loftman, i really liked his background and what he brought to the table. he did reach out to our office and i know he couldn't make it because he was out of the country but he's someone who has expertise in affordable housing finance, he works for the oakland housing authority, so i think he brings a good perspective to the committee, so i would have liked to be able to appoint him to the committee, so with that said, i mean, i would agree with supervisor avalos on ms. hall at the moment since she appeared today before us and i'm open to the other three applicants. >> alright, thank you. so, i've got some thoughts and some hesitancies that i'm going to do my best to try to articulate. mr. stafford, i appreciate your interest, i think what i would have preferred to hear is a deeper understanding of san francisco and how these communities work and how it works with the cdbg block grant money and i think that you would be able to deve