mr. stenger both, let's start with mr. irving, why was the request for national guard assistance not approved at the same time you approved the expansion of the perimeter? mr. irving? i think you're muted, mr. irving. now you're definitely muted. now you should be fine. go ahead. >> am i okay now? >> yes. >> thank you. i apologize for that. senator, i did not take the call from chief sund on the 4th as a request. chief sund called me to tell me that he had received an offer from the national guard to provide us 125 unarmed troops to work traffic control on the perimeter of the capitol. shortly after that discussion, i said, let's include sergeant at arms stenger as chair of the board and another senior official with quite a bit of experience, the three of us talked it through and during that call, the number one question on the table was, did the intelligence support it? did the intelligence support that additional offer for those 125 troops? >> did you -- did you discuss this with anybody except sergeant at arms stenger a

mr. stenger, mr. irving, same question. >> the video i saw certainly was what i could see from my window on january 6. >> and from my perspective, senator, i have not diagnosed the attack at the time. we left all the information to the intelligence agencies we had at the time, and now i would say leave it to the investigations to make a determination. >> a question fror the chief specifically. there is an intelligence division within the department, correct? >> yes, sir. >> now, having read your letter to speaker pelosi, you make reference to events on both november 14th as well as december 12th that you had sort of comparable intelligence in terms of risk assessment, threat assessment and the events of november 14th and december 12th, not leading into anything near what happened on january 6? is that a correct interpretation of your letter? >> that's a correct interpretation. both indicated that we were going to have various militia groups and extremists in attendance. in addition to the fact that as

mr. stenger, mr. irving as i understand it you have some disagreement with the characterization about the concern about the optics, so i would invite both mr. irving and mr. stenger to relay your best recollection of that conversation on january 4th. >> senator, my best recollection of the conversation on january 4th was a phone call from chief sund indicating that he had received an offer for 125 unarmed guard that could get positioned around traffic perimeter check points at the capitol. my recollection again is as we followed up with mr. stenger, the three of us engaged in a conversation wrap we looked at the offer in light of the existing intelligence and the decision, the collective decision amongst the three of us was that the intelligence did not warrant the national guard. and my recollection that ended the discussion relative to the offer and the only question on the table is, should we perform any follow up? and mr. stenger recommended that we ask that they be placed on standby. that was the

mr. stenger or mr. irving? >> nobody contacted me. >> same thing with me, no one contacted me or my office. >> thank you for that. i intend to bring this up with the department of homeland security on this topic. mr. sund, my last question. the officers of the capitol police work each and every day to keep the u.s. capitol safe and secure. we are all grateful for the brave work of the u.s. capitol police officers on january 6th. tragically, the law enforcement community has now lost two officers to suicide since january 6 as a result of the insurrection and the events then. my thoughts, and i'm sure the thoughts of all of us here today, are with the families of npd officer jeffrey smith and u.s. capitol police officer howard levingood. what are currently available to capitol police officers and are these resources sufficient? >> the department has brought in significant mental health resources, and i certainly do appreciate your recognition of that. i've talked to a number of officers who have definitely gone t

mr. stenger, mr. irving, same question. to speak of the video i saw certainly from what i could see from my window on the day of january 6th. >> and from my perspective, senator, i have not diagnosed the why the attack at the time, we left all information to the intelligence agencies that we had at the time, and i would say now to leave it to the after actions investigations and determinations. >> okay, question for chief sund specifically, there is an intelligence division within the department, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and, now, having read your letter to speaker pelosi, you make reference to events on november 14th as well as december 12th that you had sort of comparable intelligence in terms of risk assessment, direct assessment and the events of november 14th and december 12, not leading into anything near what happened on january 6th, is that my correct interpretation of your letter? >> yes, that is the correct interpretation both assessments indicated that we would have various militia groups and extremists in attend

mr. stenger. mr. irving. >> chairman peters, chairwoman klobuchar, ranking member portman, ranking member blunt and distinguished members of the committees, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. there has been a lot of press reporting about me, not all of it accurate, and i appreciate the opportunity to address some of that today. my name is paul irving and i served as the sergeant at arms for the house of representatives for the past nine years. serving in that role was one of the great honors of my life and i counted it a privilege to work with speakers from both political parties, including speaker boehner, speaker ryan and speaker pelosi. i'm a law enforcement officer by training. my professional career started 40 years ago as an intern at the department of justice. i worked on two presidential details and rose to the rank of assistant director. like you, i am profoundly saddened by the events of january 4 isth. the world witnessed horrific acts of violence and destruction carr

mr. stenger as well. >> mr. irving, why would you not remember that? >> senator, i have no recollection of a conversation with chief sund at that time. i was on the floor during the electoral college session. >> reporter: today the acting chief showing up with evidence -- the phone logs saying they did call for help. >> on january 6th, chief sund first reached out for national guard support to the house sergeant at arms at 12:58 p.m. >> reporter: tonight we're learning 800 insurrectionists made it inside the capitol that day. other lawmakers insisting police had the intelligence but failed to act. but the acting chief saying today there was no intelligence indicating an attack of this size and scale. >> we acknowledge that there are a lot of things that should have been done differently. >> let's bring in rachel scott live at the capitol tonight. in addition to that sobering warning today, another major story from the hill. the house has passed the equality act designed to end discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. what are its

mr. stenger, did you get the report? >> no. >> mr. irving. >> i did not. >> then there is the issue of what took the national guard so long to get there. acting chief of the d.c. police robert contee said the first guard members didn't show up until 4 1/2 hours after he first consecutived. >> chief sund was pleading for deployment of the national guard and there was not an immediate yes, the national guard was on the way. it was more asking about the plan that what was the plan for the national guard, the response was more focused on in addition to the plan, the optics of how this looks with boots on the ground on the capitol. and my response was simply i was just stunned that, you know, i have officers that were out there literally fighting for their lives and we're kind of going through what seemed like an exercise to really check the boxes and it was not an immediate response. >> let me be clear. optics as portrayed in the media played no role whatsoever in my decisions about security. and any suggestion to the contrary is false. s

mr. stenger as well. >> first conversation with mr. sund in that time frame was 1:28, 1:30.iorating. he might be looking for national guard approval. >> fuzzy time line here raising the stakes even more for next week's hearing, that one focused on the defense department in deploying the national guard. more on that in a few minutes. >>> new this morning, tiger woods is awake, responsive and recovering from surgery in a los angeles hospital after a horrifying crash on a dangerous stretch of california road. downhill and winding, authorities say it's a spot known as a spot to easy to pick up speed. overnight, the team reported that he had been through extensive surgery in his right lower ankle for, quote, significant injuries. >> tiger was conscious at the scene when emergency responders reached the scene early yesterday morning. cnn's josh campbell is live at ucla medical center in l.a. josh, the medical examiner said this crash could have killed tiger who thankfully was wearing a seat belt. >> reporter: absolutely, you look at the images of the crash that occurred here in th

mr. stenger, they did not believe that the chief ever spoke to the architect of the capitol, prior to that, i believe that is what mr. blanton testified to yesterday and so who was on the board so the yes would have to come from all three. >> hello, i'm kate bolduan and thank you for joining us. at this hour we have been watching a house hearing get into the deadly insurrection in the capitol and what happened, where the failures were and where the failures are now and you could clearly sense that these house lawmakers from tim ryan to jamie her harrah beutler, and democrat and republicans alike, they are not happy with the answerser that getting so far. let's talk about this as we continue to keep our eye on this hearing as they're dealing with some technical issues. joining me now is andrew mccabe, and former fbi deputy director and charles ramsey. also the former police chief of d.c. very different tone, i will say, in this hearing, andy, than what we heard in the senate side with other members of the law enforcement that were in charge of protecting the capitol on january 6th. they wer

mr. stenger. >> we were waiting at any time for input from congressional leadership, is that your testimony? >> i advised them, many security protocols. >> but you weren't waiting at any time? there was no delay, you're saying getting national guard requests. you didn't wait for the input of the speaker or majority leader or anybody else? >> absolutely not. >> mr. sund, is that your recollection? >> my recollection was 109 while i was sitting in the command center watching things rapidly deteriorate, i made a phone call, a phone call was made in the presence of both my assistant chief and possibly general counsel at which time i made the initial request that we need to enact the national guard, the situation is bad on the west front. i followed up at 1:22 p.m. to check on the status of the request. >> okay. one of the things i'm trying to get clear is who would constitute the chain of command. mr. irving said he never made that statement or consult anybody else. my understanding is from the statute to chapter 29, in an emergency situation, i think this would qualify that the capitol police

mr. stenger, did you get the report? >> no. >> mr. irving? >> i did not. >> then there's the issue of what took the national guard so long to get on the scene. acting chief of d.c. police robert contee said the first guard members didn't show up until 4 and a half hours until after his initial request. >> chief sund was pleading for the deployment of the national guard. and in response to that, there was not an immediate yes. the national guard is responding. yes, the national guard is on the way. the response was more asking about the plan, what was the plan for the national guard. the response was more focussed on in addition to the plan the optics about how this looks with boots on the ground on the capitol. and my response to that was simply, i was just stunned that, i have officers that were out there literally fighting for their lives and, you know, we're kind of going through what seemed like an exercise to really check the boxes. and there was not an immediate response. >> let me be clear, optics as portrayed in the media played no ro

mr. irving? >> senator, from my recollection, i did not receive a request for approval for national guard until shortly after 2:00 p.m. when i was in michael stenger's office. >> mr. sund, do you know when you asked for national guard assistance? was it 1:09, or was it 2:00 p.m.? >> it was from mr. irving. i believe he was in the company of mr. stinger. >> why would you not remember that, mr. irving? >> senator, i have no recollection of a conversation with chief sund at that time. i did not get a request at 1:09 that i can remember. the first conversation i had with chief sund in that time frame was 1:28, 1:30, and at that -- in that conversation, he indicated that conditions were deteriorating. he might be looking for national guard approval and approval of our neutral aid agreement with local law enforcement. >> the chief of washington d.c.'s police department robert conte expressed his surprise at the way the request for the national guard was treated in a conference call that he participated in. >> just after some time after 2:00 p.m. i had left the west front of the capitol after initially being at the scene, assessing what was going on, looki