mr. stern's very well, so i think we've had come out this a pretty strong indication of what the baseline privacy bill will look like and i think when you see a bill come out and i think it will come out, it will be elements of the industry's self regulation which of course the industry has been doing for many years now. >> if you refer just a second reflect on the loss of mr. belcher to the congress and telecommunications policy. >> i was obviously disappointed. i thought the staff was good and again i like his consensus approach. but i think again that if congressman rush comes he will probably take lessons from mr. bowsher's chairmanship and probably do the same thing in terms of seeking consensus. >> in the last congress or the last to so much of the attention has been on the energy and commerce committee and not on the senate side. is that reflective of senator rockefeller's leadership for what ever reason or is it just because that vibrancy? [laughter] vibrancy is a good word. i think part of it is a matter of jurisdiction. of course on the house side the iain sea has health care an

mr. sterns very well. so i think that what you had come out of there was a pretty strong indication of what a baseline privacy bill will look like. and i think, you know, when you see a bill come out -- >> and i do -- and i do say that bill will come out -- it will be a baseline approach in order to attract republican votes. and then there will also be some elements of industry self-regulation which, you know, of course, the industry has been doing for many years now. >> host: if you would for just a second reflect on the loss of will boucher to the congress and to telecommunications policy. >> guest: i was, obviously, disappointed. i thought that he was terrific. i thought his staff was good. again, i like his consensus approach. but i think that, again, if congressman rush comes on, i think, you know, he'll probably take less sons from -- lessons from mr. boucher's chairmanship and probably do the same thing. >> host: catherine, in the last congress or seems like the last two congresses so much of the at