mr. steve forbes, elizabeth macdonald, john tamney and bruce. is this a good start?w through by the cabinets secretaries and budget for

mr. steve forbes, elizabeth macdonald, john tamney and bruce. is this a good start? >> the key thing is follow through by the cabinets secretaries and budget for overseas spending for the federal government because you have congress subcommittees and with their pet spending. if you don't do that, this bloat will come back again. david: for those are concerned, steve hurt his shoulder and doing okay. he's recuperating and wish him well. john, is this how the starve the beast? >> i don't think so, i'm all for slowing the growth of the federal government. i think this is a symbolic distraction, it's going to give the citizenry a more efficient government? no, it's not. government is overbloated. if you want to give people a better government. greatly shrink federal head count. they're not doing that here. david: rich, there have been cases where entire agencies, bureaucracies have been destroyed purposely, at least one that we can think of. there was a guy named alfred c khan. he designed this mechanism to destroy the civil aeronautics board and the airlines. when you d