mr. steve forks, author of a book called "freedom manifesto." michael is here, elizabeth mcdonald, rick, victoria, and morgan brennan. steve first to you, are government entitlements making

mr. steve forks, author of a book called "freedom manifesto." michael is here, elizabeth mcdonald, rick, victoria, and morgan brennan. steve first to you, are government entitlements making poverty grow? >> they are. and we've had a half a century of this war on poverty. we've spent 15 trillion dollars on this thing. and we have a high rate today, almost as high as it was a half century ago. even when times are good, david, the poverty rate doesn't fall very much. it encourages all the things that keep you in poverty such as having out of wedlock births and things like that. the only time poverty levels fell were in the '90s when you had on the state level poverty reform, welfare reform. then on the federal level it worked. today we're spend ago trillion dollars a year. 126 different programs. seven cabinet agencies, six independent agencies all for naught, most of it. >> rick, that 1996 act was a thing of beauty created in a bipartisan manner with a democrat president, republican congress. don't we need another dose of that? >> you know, you ca