president, and also we're talking with winslow wheeler, he's a strauss military reform project director. gentlemen, welcome. let's start product, mreeler. under sequestration, what's happened to the defense department as far its operation is concerned? guest: chaos, given the way it's being implemented by both congress and the pentagon and the white house. decent leadership in either place, or any one of those three could have eased a lot of the pain of returning the american defense spending to its peace time norms, and we have a long ways to go downwards before we get to those norms. host: so when you say chaos, you mean as far as operation is concerned or leadership is concerned? guest: i mean everything. the chaos in congress, refusal to pass appropriations bills, going onto what are called continuing resolutions, where the accounts are frozen. their refusal to acknowledge that sequestration exists until the other party capitulates on other political agenda matters. the refusal of the pentagon to implement those 5% cuts in a way that doesn't cause chaos in the forces. picking on military readiness, rather than the least import