mr. sutton is wrong in terms of his avertment and mr. sutton talks about the fccp completely exonerates mr. farrell and it was clearly a stipulation put it by mr. farrell and mr. farrell's committee the one committee put out the hit pieces. but that somehow supervisor farrell was not responsible because there was a rogue campaign manager, some little character, who is not even worth mentioning, who we're supposed to believe got this $193,000 from these two socially-prominent individuals, to fund this hit-campaign committee and supervisor farrell had nothing to do with it. even if that were the case, supervisor farrell hired that campaign coordinator for his committee, and that guy ran that other committee and did the hit pieces with the $193,000. under the law, supervisor farrell is responsible for that. he violated the campaign contribution rules and $193,000 by law must by forfeited to the city. it's back on the agenda. we're going -- at this time i'm not going to object to closed session, because it's clear that what we are doing is we