mr. swanson: john, or anyone else? mr. goldberg: the point i would make about the filibuster -- why it is important for conservatives to still supported is a symbol of how it is hardwired into the constitution. the way the senate -- it is not proportional representation. the filibuster, in a way, is a symbol of that. it is taking it further. it is important to recognize donald trump would not be president or will not become president if it were not for federalism. the other place you see this is the electoral college. hillary clinton will win the popular vote. the only reason donald trump's president is the electoral college gives more of a say over the selection of the present than it would if we had a symbol majority election simultaneously throughout the country. it has been the liberal project for over 100 years to get rid of everything in the constitution that limits direct democracy -- against filibusters, attacking the senate, the electoral college. i think conservatives -- the original design of the consultation wa

mr. swanson: jonah, byron, let's hear from you on that. mr. goldberg: on the pardon? mr. swanson: on any of it. [laughter] mr. goldberg: on the pardon bit , something trump does not have , he will do a special present you are on hillary clinton -- it depends on how bad you think the crimes hillary clinton committed actually were, and how intricate -- how implicated in them barack obama is. but there is significance that it could force barack obama to pardoning hillary clinton so that we can move on. the pardon is a brand -- it is not quite walking through kings landing and saying shame -- sorry, "game of thrones" reference -- he would be a problem for you. politically, it would be kind of brilliant. in terms of the previous part about trump and the idea of his commitment to these issues -- again, look, i'm entirely open to giving donald trump the benefit of the doubt. the never trump thing is over by definition. [laughter] >> i do not know if it is over for him, though. mr. goldberg: that's true. tell my wife i love her, if i suddenly disappear. [laughter] mr. goldberg: bu