very dry, arid environment, and correct me if i'm wrong, where's the nearest inhab tans of yucca mountain? is it 100 miles? mr. shimkus: the city of las vegas, which is the major metropolitan area, is 100 miles from yucca mountain. what people have a hard time understanding about the nuclear test area, this is where the nuclear test site was. federal government owns numerous parcels of land around yucca mountain. the communities right outside the reservation and i think the whole test site area is like the size of new hampshire. but the communities -- what's interesting about this debate, the communities right outside the gate are fully supportive of yucca mountain being the repository for high-level nuclear waste in the state of -- and why do i know that? because i visited them, i have been in their communities, i went to the community center, they welcomed me and we talked about how this was important for the country and their local communities. >> this is critical for the cupry, the state of illinois has 13 reactors, our neighbors to the north have three commercial reactors, on two dncht site, both on lake