mr. tefft: i think it is too early to say. i think what the president was trying to do was to lay a base, he was trying to establish a diplomatic work with which to deal with the russians they would i think the president -- russians. i think the president spoke candidly to put in about an array of issues, but i think we are not going to know for three to six months. which was a carefully scripted, diplomatic strategy which started last week the g7 summit, continued through the nato summit, then culminated today, with the hope that there will be something there. i was encouraged to see that there was a group eating on cyber. no guarantees -- group meeting on cyber. no guarantees there. from the statements both of the presidents made, there were some tough words exchanged. that said, it was businesslike, putin called it effective, constructive. i think we will have to see. it is too early to say how much success we will have. last point, there is a lot of problems that obviously exist in the rela

mr. teffti think we can hope so. at one point, and the interviews that our president had after the meeting and after his own press conference, he said he made it clear to putin that the united states has cyber capabilities as well, and i think putin clearly understands that. there were no threats and president biden went out of his way to say he was not going to be threatening, but the russians understand that we have considerable cyber capabilities as well. i would like to think and hope that putin will pick up the opportunity to look at these 16 areas which biden proposed that we put out of bounds, there is no evidence to date that we should be overly optimistic. put it that way. emily: the u.s. has cyber capabilities. does that mean our offense is at the same level as their offense? are we unleashing the same kind of attacks that the russians seem to be unleashing on u.s. infrastructure? or is there a different state of play? mr. tefft: i don't know the answer to that question. cyber capabil