dougan is out, mr. thiam is in. hans nichols, i do not want to spend more on the post mortal of -- the postmortem of mr. dougan. hans co. he survived a lot of the worst of it, right yak of the big calls for him were to step down in 2013, 2014. this is not about the litigation exposure, which is real, it is about the strategy of credit squeeze. are they going to continue to try to make money in debt? tom: is this a board action? mr. ciampa is known for -- this guy lights up insurance businesses. is that the mandate from the board? hans: it is a light of -- is it lighting up better stock returns? i would imagine. tidjane thiam has spent a lot of time there. it really gets down to what is credit suisse going to do? are they going to be a bank to private wealthy investors and private individuals, kind of like the track ubs has taken, or will they -- brady dougan split the difference and has pared back some of the debt trading, but not all the way. it is a strategy question that may be for the board, for the new ceo, but