mr. thomas, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> you know, more mr. , as a hardened felony prosecutor, i put people behind bars on rape, murder, child molestation, dope, trafficking, arson. i was thinking, this is a stunt. do they need to go to jail? now that i'm hearing about a prior 911 domestic abuse and this rap song using the children has surfaced, i want to talk to you about how far you believe mr. heene would go? was this all a stunt with the balloon? using his boys? >> i, personally, believe that it was a stunt. my perspective isn't just based on the media. it's based on my own personal experience with mr. heene. >>> how many legitimate 911 calls came in that day? how many people needed police, needed sheriffs, needed help? but no, everybody was consumed trying to save this 6-year-old boy's life up in a balloon. he was never there. back to robert thomas, out of new york. richard heene's former researcher. thank you for being was. you state that at first your mind was open, then you came to believe pretty quickly that this was all just a stunt.

mr. thomas, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> you know, mr. as a hardened felony prosecutor, i put people behind bars on rape, murder, child molestation, dope trafficking, arson. i was thinking, this was a stunt. do they really need to go to jail? now that i'm hearing about a prior 911 domestic abuse and this rap song using the children has surfaced, i want to talk to you about how far you believe mr. heene would go? was this all a stunt with the balloon? using his boys? >> i, personally, believe that it was a stunt. my perspective isn't just based on the media. it's based on my own personal experience with mr. heene. >>> how many legitimate 911 calls came in that day? how many people needed police, needed sheriffs, needed help? but no, everybody was consumed trying to save this 6-year-old boy's life up in a balloon. he was never there. back to robert thomas, a special guest joining us out of new york. mr. heene's former researcher. robert, thank you for being with us. you state that at first your mind was open, then you came to believe pretty

mr. thomas, first of all, thank you again for joining us.nd i know your family has been outraged by the leniency shown to this man in australia. how do you feel about the potential of capital murder charges being filed in alabama once he's returned? >> we're very encouraged, matt, by the attorney general and by troy king's support of our family, and especially of tina. certainly thankful to him, proud to be citizens of the state of alabama and hope to get justice for our daughter in the state where she was a citizen, since we couldn't get it in the country where the crime was committed. >> mr. king is going to attempt to prove that the origins of this crime were here in the united states, that this was a carefully planned and plotted murder. is that what you felt all along? >> the evidence that was gathered, even for the case in australia, there were several things that indicated that it certainly could have been planned in alabama. >> and mr. king, when do you plan to present evidence? when will we find out what the grand jury has decided i

mr. thomas, his so-called promoter. did he get involved or anybody else get involved. if the justice department or u.s. attorney's office sees that they may be knock on his door. >> linda is with us from colorado. your thoughts? >> caller: i would like to know how he supports his family, when neither he nor his wife works and he has, of course, all the daily costs of living and, also, how he would buy the equipment he uses for his space travel. >> great question. lisa, kind of touched on that, part-time tile worker. we had heard he was -- he pitched to jimmy kimmel and his people confirmed this to us that he was going to shoot off this rocket and put kimmel's name on it. he wanted 25 grand for that. kimmel and his people said no, never talk to him again. does he have any other means of income besides the part-time tile work. >> he was on "wife swap" twice i assume there was a payment to him and the family for that, probably not a significant amount. i know he has a substantial amount of debt. i don't think the man or his wife make very much money and hoped this would b

columnist with cqpolitics.com, msnbc political analyst and now author with helen thomas with the just-released "listen up, mresident -- everything you always wanted your president to know and do." just one volume? >> maybe there will be a sequel. >> listen, do you know what the analogy was there? is it obama is a cancer? is it that he's a snuff film? was he born in denmark? or do you have prince albert in a can? what was going on there? >> i haven't got a clue, keith, and i'm glad i don't, because if i understood that, i would really be worried. i don't know about this word snuff, you can't accuse him of inciting assassination attempts, but you got to wonder what goes through your mind using a word like that in the context of talking about the president. the terrible explanation is that he's a nut. but if he was a real nut, most squirrels wouldn't go near him. the lindsay graham criticism, is that he might be the first guy in the gop to go, i don't want anything to do with this. he's not in my heart, you take him s that a rogue position , to borrow somebody else's phrase? >> it's a little push and pull, but