mr. tiefer. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i just want to mention i've pointed out before that in the 2000s our co-chair, mr. think ball, was part of a leading group of auditors in the government who were trying to keep contractors like kbr accountable against major head winds. i don't think i fully understood what an uphill task that was until our preparation for today's hearing when i found that the past performance systems were closed. not just virtually closed, literally closed to entries of bad ratings for kbr performance. it was like you were banging on a locked door, mr. chairman. and i congratulate you for your work. although i'm shocked to discover that gambling is going on in this place about my mentioning of the university of baltimore law school. now we all agree you'll menace it quickly -- mention it quickly. mr. amey, you're the custodian of the, the enormous database, unique cay that base about -- database about contractor misconduct, and i want to try to flesh out. we've heard the anonymous but gigantic figure

mr. tiefer. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i'm going to go back to a couple of my favorites among the flagrant five, and ask admiral gilbeau, i know that you carefully said in your statement that as far as logcap iii and logcap iv, enormous logistical contracts in iraq and afghanistan, there had not been entries made by dcma. i'm not talking about currently, i'm going back and kill the reason ask made by dcma, i want to take it one step further and ask about that. our staff look to see whether somebody else made entries and found that there had been no entry for kbr in logcap iii or logcap iv, which means the expenses history described that you could describe on the pogo database doesn't have anything corresponding in a government database. and i want to ask, how could this have been true, or why would this have been true in the most what i think is the most famous incident of kbr wrongdoing, which was at the electrocutions in iraq, the electrocutions of soldiers and others because of faulty work on the wiring. and i think you

mr. tiefer. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i just want to mention i've pointed out before that in the 2000s our co-chair, mr. think ball, was part of a leading group of auditors in the government who were trying to keep contractors like kbr accountable against major head winds. i don't think i fully understood what an uphill task that was until our preparation for today's hearing when i found that the past performance systems were closed. not just virtually closed, literally closed to entries of bad ratings for kbr performance. it was like you were banging on a locked door, mr. chairman. and i congratulate you for your work. although i'm shocked to discover that gambling is going on in this place about my mentioning of the university of baltimore law school. now we all agree you'll menace it quickly -- mention it quickly. mr. amey, you're the custodian of the, the enormous database, unique cay that base about -- database about contractor misconduct, and i want to try to flesh out. we've heard the anonymous but gigantic figure

mr. tiefer. commissioner henke. >> thank you, mr. chairman. captain carrington, your offices is responsible providing past performance training on the systems you manage, right? >> yes, sir. >> and you provide, he said 16,000 users, different levels of training to provide the training, i guess you do site visits, youtube video telecom to? >> we do online training. if you're a registered user we do site and we do go to for instance, a perfect sample is next month we're going to be in huntsville, alabama, we expect to train up to five other people. >> you also hold past performance conferences. we sent some of our staff last year and they said it was pretty good. my question to you as you do a lot of training. you seem to produce a lot of steps, and a lot of access to training. so with all that training going on, what do you attribute these kinds of results to? people are trained but not using the system. what's missing? >> we've taken -- we've listened to users, and we tailored our training to that, and we've provided in our training, those too

mr. tiefer. >> thank you, mr. chairman.d just come back from two weeks in afghanistan in general in kandahar in particular with my chairman, mr. tebot. the dust of kandahar is not yet off my shoes, and traveling with the chairman is an extraordinary experience. he goes everywhere and drags me everywhere.

mr. tiefer.we are going to be five minutes and if i run out of time for myself will be a case of each of you have five minutes. >> i'm going to go with shorter questions and hopefully it shorter answers. we came back from afghanistan. the starting the disbarment there with the security group which is linked to karzai. this isn't some academic exercise. we've got to use this tool more. now, my first question. to finish what i asked you before. it is a scandal because the fund $600 million that is questioning about supreme foodstuff. the reports to an assistant secretary reports to you. dla is under you. will you be willing to have the matter gone over by the auditors at the dcaa? and if it is possible to make the call back of money make the clock back of the money? >> i certainly won't say no to the clawback of money. i can't tell you of the feasibility of it. and we talked briefly earlier about this particular transaction, and as i said then, i am happy to talk about the subject surrounding it in

mr. tiefer? >> thank you, mr. green. we found -- we were struck by the figure of $280 billion that have gone to contractors with fraud judgments or settlements. so i want to ask a little bit about that. >> can we clarify that's just the -- >> but again, i believe that the number you're reference again is a report that's not finished by the department. that we continue in discussions with both justice and treasury to determine whether the numbers are accurate in how they are portrayed. so i'm very uncomfortable -- >> i won't ask you -- you don't like the question that follows, just stop the question. what i think -- i did see the comment where judgments or settlements of a million dollars or higher. and i just want to make the contest whatever. i want to make the commonsense observation but i do want to know, that the way one gets up to very good figures is that there's not tens of thousands of convicted little contractors. but that the figure gets high because there's a relatively smaller number of big contractors who ge