mr. todaro has been with gao -- mr. dodaro has been with gao for 45 years. how did the gao get involved with those programs? guest: in the original cares act legislation in 2020, there was a statutory provision for gao to audited the money and look at its effectiveness. we were asked to provide monthly briefings to senate and congressional committees and to provide bimonthly reports to the congress and the public. that was done through the first year. then we moved to quarterly reports. now we are reporting on a periodic basis. we have issue 10 governmentwide reports. we have issued close to 200 individual reports on selected aspects of the process. we have made over 150 recommendations. we are still reporting and will continue to report as some of the coronavirus money is available to be spent through 2026. host: what has been the take away from all of this investigating and were ports that you have done -- and reports that you have done? guest: we think the funding help to provide stability to the economy. it helped a lot of small businesses. it helps prov