mr. trasvina. how many times have we heard from mr. buck about healthy trees about unhealthy trees and mr. buck is there saying these are unhealthy trees because they have a crack, wart or split. two prong branches but when it is a healthy tree it is a staying. these two trees are helty trees. they have been identified as such so that rang true to me. thank you for that in support of your point of view. out of interest because [indiscernible] what would be your alternative motion so i know whether to choose chocolate or vanilla? >> my motion is continue the matter to future date to allow the parties to add detail to the agreement we heard and principal following your questioning and i like to know what the chocolate and vanilla looks like and i like to for example if vanilla means more trees. i think i'm in favor of that math. >> so, now knowing the--these other guys know what the alternative is once we hear a vote on whether to vote on commissioner trasvina's motion so now we can go to mr. commissioner trasvina's motion. >> we have--

mr. bruno also spoke about this matter at the december 6th, 2023 hearing. commissioner trasvina requested that this matter be put on the december 13th, 2023 agenda so that the commissioner could engage in a discussion about the issues subsequent to the hearing on december 6th, 2023, president swig through the executive director uh, asked dbe to inspect the property prior to december 13th. the commissioners will discuss these matters and may ask mr. bruno and dbe to address questions and provide an update on dbe a's inspection. okay. um. thank you commissioners. we can we can chat about this item as you wish. just want to set some ground rules. first of all, is the first time, um, since i've been on this commission, which is a while that we've ever had an agenda item on comments, questions, comments, commissioners comments, questions. so this is a first. welcome to the first, um, second of all, this isn't a formal hearing. uh, there can't be any formal in that. there won't be a called question at the at the end. um, and, and, um, so there's no motion. no motion will be asked for.