mr. tyrie, which as i say do show a majority in favor of remaining but i would point out that they -- >> i've got two leading surveys in front of me, one is by city uk and the other is by the center for financial innovation. city uk have taken leading people in the leading -- legal profession, banking profession and accountancy and they split about 84% in favor is 16% against. you may be right that their views are all lightly held and that that could suddenly trigger like a herd of antelope in the other direction. >> well, i do think that actually -- >> and the center for financial innovation have polled their 400 professionals on their contact list and they're getting slightly weaker support but still very strong in favor. so what you're getting in your anecdotal meetings doesn't seem consistent. and the fact that you're not aware of even these -- >> well, i said i'm aware of the general thrust of the surveys. >> -- does strike me as surprising. >> i think i said i'm aware of the general thrus

mr. tyrie, open europe themselves say 95% of these benefits have not, in fact, materialized. it seems to be a consideration you might take into account: they haven't said that. what they've said is that the full benefits are very difficult to quantify. >> uh-huh. >> which is not quite the same thing. >> uh-huh. >> and they are making the perfectly reasonable point that that a regulation may confirm a heavy cost on a small group but a much broader and more difficult to quantify benefit on a larger group: >> yes, i think -- >> for example, a regulation that might reduce consumer debt. so would you accept that in order to give the electorate a fair balance of the costs and benefits at the very least it's important to take a close look at the benefits side an also always when quoting a figure to ensure the public are aware of what you've done here is add up the costs and that open europe quite recently have said, and i quote, "it is important to note that these rules can bring benefits including fa

. >> other countries decided, mr. tyrie, to protect themselves against such flows and continue to have the derogation. >> something others -- >> we chose not to. >> hannah has one point to come back and then i have two further colleagues to get in if we can and we'll run over if necessary. >> thank you very much. you said that the cbi document claimed after brexit 3 million jobs would be created but that's not what it says. it says in the short term our results suggest that employment levels fall over the longer term total uk employment could be around 350,000 to 600,000 lower in the two exit scenarios relative to remaining in the eu. >> can i -- >> that's what they say. they do not say that it will increase by 3 million, mr. johnson. >> well, it does. what you do is combine -- tables 4.1 and 5.5. i leave that to your ingenuity and that is -- and you will see that even the worst-case scenario there is a gain. >> i'm not sure you're quite on top of the tables as you appear since you're reading from a scrap that's passed to y

if i may say so, mr. tyrie, the same balance of opinion was joined as to whether britain should join the euro. that was a disastrous course of action. they were wrong then, they are wrong now. you're hearing the same thing from the same constituency of people. you have made that point, boris, and we've got that firmly on the record. have you got a point that you haven't made, the one you're very struck by? >> well, i'm struck by how -- as i say, how shallow -- >> yes, you've made that point. >> -- the enthusiasm for the european union seems to be even among its supposed advocates. >> in your dartford speech you quote some open europe analysis. i don't know whether you know you quoted some open europe analysis but i gave you warning before this meeting that we were going to take a close look at what you said recently about europe and that we go through this in some detail. you say, and i quote "british business -- the e.u. regulation costs british business 600 million pounds a week." have you taken a look at the

. >> mr. tyrie, maybe the figures you don't particularly like. >> i think he's fair to say i'm sorry, chris. >> anyway, my view is that -- i have seen studies saying that you'd get it down to 50,000 a year. >> in total? >> i'm not necessarily endorsing those. i think the difficulty will be there's a very large demand from business, an industry. but you should at least be able to control it. you should be able to decide what type of labor you want. do you want skilled labor of a certain kind? do you need certain unskilled jobs filled? how does it work? and at the moment, what you see is a huge, huge pressure downward on wages. >> and the immigration flow from the e.u. what portion is helpful, like high skilled or unhelpful, that is more unskilled and more of a drag? >> i think the issue is really to do with control. and what the -- what the scope is for u.k. politicians to take responsibility for what is happening. and at the moment it is way out of control. and people feel it. they know it, they can