mr. van roekel just spoke about certificates and degrees and everything. he feels that the person -. >> host: that he don't listen to your tv. just go ahead with your question. >> caller: i'm just talking about and educators and administrators. it's an port and you have a degree with certain documents that i can say certain people peoples -- certain people have degrees. i worked in the dade county public schools. do not discriminate a dense the person who may not have a certificate at the time or can't apply to them. yes education is important but do not judge people on the knowledge that they have because they are coming into the system. do not take away this man's job because he feels that this man to dignify himself when he came to education. >> host: mr. van roekel i will let you respond. >> guest: i graduated from college with a degree from mathematica. i could've gone into engineering accounting actuarial science or the teaching of asthmatics and i chose teaching. just as i don't believe i can do any job that requires a degree in math i also don't be