mr. van tine? >> i think as we look at it i think one of the concerns that we have is the use of security directives and certainly we recognize the importance of using security directives and contingencies and emergencies but there is this tendency to use it to influence standing policy rather than working with industry to look at the operational impacts and the consequences of some of those directives. so we would ask that tsa and congress looked at how we can work closer with the industry and not use that as a mechanism for creating policy. >> mr. alterman? >> i think going back to your original question whether we are being counseled that in terms of the technology we need in our instance anyway, the answer is now yes and what may have been in the past i think you know, there may have been some problems. that is not what we see concentrating on. the dhs cargo working groups we are formed within the past years, one of those working groups, subworking groups as specifically on the technology and h

mr. van tine? >> i think as we look at it i think one of the concerns that we have is the use of security directives and certainly we recognize the importance of using security directives and contingencies and emergencies but there is this tendency to use it to influence standing policy rather than working with industry to look at the operational impacts and the consequences of some of those directives. so we would ask that tsa and congress looked at how we can work closer with the industry and not use that as a mechanism for creating policy. >> mr. alterman? >> i think going back to your original question whether we are being counseled that in terms of the technology we need in our instance anyway, the answer is now yes and what may have been in the past i think you know, there may have been some problems. that is not what we see concentrating on. the dhs cargo working groups we are formed within the past years, one of those working groups, subworking groups as specifically on the technology and h

mr. van tine? >> i think as we look at it i think one of the concerns that we have is the use of security directives and certainly we recognize the importance of using security directives and contingencies and emergencies but there is this tendency to use it to influence standing policy rather than working with industry to look at the operational impacts and the consequences of some of those directives. so we would ask that tsa and congress looked at how we can work closer with the industry and not use that as a mechanism for creating policy. >> mr. alterman? >> i think going back to your original question whether we are being counseled that in terms of the technology we need in our instance anyway, the answer is now yes and what may have been in the past i think you know, there may have been some problems. that is not what we see concentrating on. the dhs cargo working groups we are formed within the past years, one of those working groups, subworking groups as specifically on the technology and h

we now go to our second witness who is mark van tine who serves as chief executor -- officer and the manufactures association. the chair now recognizes mreciate this opportunity sit before you and speak about the efforts to reauthorize the transportation and security administration. mr. chairman as you said my day job i am president and ceo. i do appear today on behalf of gamma and my role as a security chairman for the general aviation manufacturers association. gamma represents 72 world leading manufactures of fixed-wing aircraft engines, avionics and components. since the events of september 11, 2001, the generation committee has worked diligently to increase security measures and awareness of potential threats to the aviation system. numerous domestic and international initiatives have been put in place by both government and industry that substantially mitigate security risks. there are however areas which we believe the committee should focus for improving security and obtaining operational efficiencies. the first is a large aircraft security program. the large aircraft security program has received significant attention from the