mr. ventrone and go into depth how the epa regulations have impacted your local economies. given your role, how have these regulations and plant closures impacted the local tax base with regard to sales and property taxes? >> naturally, when you don't have any competition for the purpose of a home -- purchase of a home that's going to have declining values on property and we are seeing that. furthermore, we are seeing that those leadoff individuals, whether they be minors or some of you supporting the industry or having a hard time paying their property tax, which, you know, directly impacts the bottom line and the fact they just can't do it. they have to make choices between two we buy medicine and groceries or do we pay our property tax? i think if any of us were faced with those decisions would be a no-brainer. we aren't going to pay the property tax. >> i would echo the same circumstance. i would play now that certainly the direct income from the mine is very important to the economy. but there is still a multiplier of seven. the rest of the community and how the rest o