okay, dna profile confirms that mrs. walsh is sophie's mom. h what happens when i run stuart walsh's profile. he's not her biological father. so what does that mean? it means mrs. walsh is lying to us. what's going on, lieutenant? why did you ask me here without my husband? i wanted to speak to you alone. you found sophie? not yet. does that belong to her? yeah. yes, that's her favorite. if i ever forgot it, i would have to turn around and drive home to get it. does-does this mean... we found fresh saliva on it, so i believe she's alive. (sighs): okay. but there's something else. it turns out that stuart is not her biological father. uh, uh... (sighs) uh, deep down, god, i guess i always knew that. and i prayed i was wrong. i-i wanted stuart to be the baby's father. who is the baby's father? i need his name. (clears throat) it is, it's, uh, brad garland, the photographer. (camera clicks) it happened after he took our family portraits for the first time. it was a low point in my marriage, and i have regretted it ever since. these pictures that y

. >> i am pro-choice without restriction and here is the thing mr. walsh said not for rape or incest he said he would let a woman died rather than give the doctor the option to save her life. >> the candidates continuing their attacks in a brief news conference after tonight's debate each candida's spoke to reporters for 10 minutes addressing their positions on medicare and again on abortion. this is an issue that opponents of life flowed out there to make us look unreasonable, there is no such exception as life of the mother and as far as health of the mother, same thing. with advanced science and technology the health of the mother has become a tool for abortions any time under any reason, pro-life against tami duck worth who supports taxpayer funding of abortion. >> i thought again people saw the differences between us, mr. walsh many times had to be asked to provide specifics and he did not, i did i illustrated quite a few numbers of potential cuts that we have to go through he called for the cutting of medicare in order to save it which is not somethi

can you please explain to me the mania that causes republicans like mr. walsho couch their anti-choice arguments in the most ridiculous misappropriation of the evidence and the skin? >> you know, martin, clearly they're going to sit and cite those left wing conspiracy theory was the data points. joe walsh and todd akin have taught me a lot about my body that i never knew, and i think we should be paying attention. women have mystical powers we never knew. medicine has clearly advanced to the point that every woman just doesn't have to worry anymore. it's really quite scientific the way they've gotten to these conclusions. >> you're saying, karen, your own personal health has been helped by mr. akin, mr. ryan, and others. >> absolutely. and i expect when they return to congress, they are going to actually create a new curriculum for students for health education because i think there's a wealth of information we're learning in this cycle. it's so ridiculous. i was listening to that comment and thinking who did he think he was talking to? there's not a woman in t

just to give some statistics to mr. walshn case he needs to be educated on them, maternal death still happens in this country. the united states is 39th in the world behind countries like greece and germany. albania has a better rate in terms of maternal death versus places like houston. specifically, especially in red states where you have got something like 16 deaths, maternal deaths per 100,000 births according to a study in atlanta in 2010. this is still a very real problem and there are still very real women dying -- >> let's get off sex -- i want to get off sex for a minute and obviously reproductive rights. i want to say something about equal pay. why has governor romney refused to say as of this moment, friday afternoon at 5:00 eastern time, he's refused to say why he's against the equal pay bill. he won't say whether he's for or against. >> i don't think it's just about the equal pay. i think he's obviously not giving many specifics about almost anything. i wanted to follow up on your point about contraceptives being

prior to his election in congress mr. walsh worked with high school dropouts in chicago and later taught american history and government at community colleges in the area. we thank you both for being here and welcome to chicago tonight. as i mentioned this race has had its share of tense encounters women to have you been brought together. there have been some fireworks and it also has the dubious distinction of having made to let it go's 10 nastiest congressional races in the country but to start on a congenial note, i would like to ask each of you to say something that you respect and admire about your opponent that makes them worthy to be in political office. tammy duckworth. duckworth i think he loves his country as much as any of us do and that will go a long way towards serving the people of this country and the people of the district and the job is about serving the folks in the district and your constituents. we can all go a long way with that. walsh. walsh: campaigns can get -- and we decide against who we are running w

that is what mr. walsh wants to do. we need to fix it. >> this is what people do not like about politics. she said the affordable care acted not go far enough. i believe in government-run universal health care. i wish she would stand by that because she said that probably repeatedly -- prowled the repeatedly. proudly repeatedly.eatedly a >> most seniors have said to me, please get rid of medicare, -- what they said was you need to cut what you need to cut. cut the oil and gas subsidies, let mitt romney pay his fair share. >> another viewer. he is asking, what is the role of the federal government in a citizens' daily life. >> the role of the federal government? we are born with god-given rights and freedoms. our founders believed as we should all believe today that the federal government is there to make sure our god -- god- given rights and freedoms are not taken away. >> public good. i think it is important in our society americans have come together and decided there is an important social safety net program so if yo

duckworth: i think that mr. walsh loves his country as much as any of us do and that would go a long way towards serving the people of this country and people of the district, and as long as we remember the day was about serving the folks and the district and the constituents i think that we can all go along with that. >> moderator:, walsh? walsh: campaigns can get neutral. it is it part of the business and we lose sight we are running against often. and because of everything that happens, we do lose the connection. i've always been -- i've always respected her service and her sense of duty moving forward which is why she wants to run for congress. i think that is incredibly noble. >> moderator: all right, let's begin -- if we can keep that congeniality going through all this. let me start with you, congressman walsh because you had said on this program and you have repeated during your freshman term that you did not go to washington to compromise. that your objective first and foremost was to, quote, stop this presid

mr. walsh is a respected man. that's uncontested.e is spewing a kind of falsehood and dance that's, as chuck said, incredibly corrosive. who are we supposed to rely on to figure out the baseline discussion of economics and business if not the business leaders separate from politics and ideology. the problem is the referees and this is a point i'm sure some disagree with, but the referees have to figure out how to call it without worrying if it looks partisan. you have to get in there and say it's not just terrible. it's terrible because people supporting mitt romney are trying to confuse everyone. >> we talked about this earlier. donald trump is out with birther nonsense. if not playing an outsized role on the national dialogue they are playing a role in funding campaigns or super pacs with great influence. >> i covered dopers most of the time. you imagine somebody that's the ceo of a business would be a well informed sophisticated person about politics as donors. they often are but often aren't. sheldon adelson is reading "the amate

>> i think mr. walsh is clueless. i absolutely think he's clueless. and that's kind of surprising considering he's been the father of a number of children. i mean, i've had many pregnancies. i have had miscarriages. i've had first trimester abortions. that's what a d & c is when you miscarry. i have had second trimester abortions. that's what happened when i lost the fetus at 17 weeks. it had -- there were substantial complications to that pregnancy and i was at risk. i guess i'm frustrated by the fact that there are some members of the congress that can't -- can't use science and medicine to make their statements. they make utterly false statements and say it as if it's fact when they're totally false. >> he says his opponent is raising this issue because democrats can't run on the economy. is there any legitimacy in that? >> she's raising the issue because he made the most ridiculous statement in a debate and of course she's going to call him on it. >> how much do you see this playing nationally? congressman walsh, is he mainstream republican or is

just to give statistics to mr. walsh he needs to be educated on them, maternal death still happens in this country. the united states is 39th in the world behind countries like greece and germany, albania has a better rate in terms of maternal death versus places like houston. specifically, especially in red states where you have got something like 16 deaths, maternal deaths per 100,000 birth according to a study in atlanta in 2010. this is still a very real problem and there are still very real women dying -- >> let's get off sex -- i want to get off sex for a minute and obviously reproductive rights. i want to say something about equal pay. why has governor romney refused to say as of this moment, friday afternoon at 5:00 eastern time, he's refused to say why he's against the equal pay bill. he won't say whether he's for or against. >> i don't think it's just about the equal pay. i think he's obviously not giving many specifics about almost anything. i wanted to follow up on your point about contraceptives being someth

and mr. walsh recently coming out with yet another comment about rape.ere's a problem in the republican party. they do not support abortion. they are trying to somehow undermine it and even in cases of rape, they are at such an extreme position that women in this country should be very fearful of what will happen should the majority of the house remain republicans and mitt romney get elected. >> when we talk specifically about mitt romney and the fact that he did indoors mourdock, they have disavowed that statement but that endorsement still stands do you think they need to pull that? >> i think mitt romney talks out of all sides of his mouth and i think the result is, he will say anything that will get him elected. we don't know what mitt romney stands for. we truly don't. and in the case of abortion, i think that there's reason to believe that he would probably embrace mr. mourdock and embrace the personhood amendment as he said previously and that's bad for women in this country. >> congressman jackie spaer, hope you get to enjoy some of fall in new y

. >> so, you would be wrong, mr. walsh. you would be very wrong. go through some of the numbers. the report in obstetrics and gynecology, 7,500 women in the u.s. died of pregnancy related complications over their 14-year period. for every 100,000 babies born to white women, 7 to 9 moms die from complications, like heart problems, infections, bleeding. 32 to 35 black women die for every 100,000 live babies. he's just wrong. he's just completely wrong. the number for asians, i should say is about 10 for 100,000. >> well, kind of the surprising thing about this, right, is that we were just through this with mr. akin the other candidate, republican candidate for the congress, who used that term legitimate rape. perhaps the only thing that isn't as bad about this than the other thing is that he didn't use the term legitimate rape. >> you and i were just talking. we were just talking, we said there are going to be try to be parallels made to the akin comment and they're not the same thing. you made the very good point because akin put two words together

course, cnn will have more of this as the day unfolds with nick payton-walsh, who is covering it for us there. we'll be right back. mrt, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball. the last guy pitched more ball packers. but you... you consulted ups. you found a better way. that's logistics. that's margin. find out what else ups knows. i'll do that. you're on a roll. that's funny. i wasn't being funny, bob. i know. >>> we are back with cnn correspondent dana bash, kathy mcmorris rogers and "washington post" political correspondent dan balls. i've got to at least move us a little bit toward the debate tomorrow night. foreign policy. this has not been a foreign policy election. certainly what's happened in libya has kind of put at least the headlines to the front. do you think tomorrow makes a difference and in what way? >> yes because any time that voters see the candidates on the same stage debating big issues, it matters. and my understanding from the romney camp is that he is going to try to

joining me now is joan walsh, editor at large from salon.com and msnbc political analyst. she's writing about mr. romney's performance at last night's debate today and david corn for mother jones, also an nbc political analyst. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> sure thing. >> david, maybe you can help me out. just who is the real mitt romney? >> well, how much time do we have? i think this was early halloween. it looks like he was hip ma advertised beforehand. it's like he's on the titanic and women, children, and convictions go first. it was quite stellar to watch this and sitting there with a lot of other people from msnbc, we kept waiting for him to say anything, anything that had a tether, a line to what he had said previously and there was nothing. but this is a guy who said, you know, we don't want any more iraq and afghanistans and he's supporting those stands. i love bob schieffer but i wish the president or him would have said, wait a minute, you supported the war on iraq. are you saying that you made a mistake supporting that? there were so many opening. he turned

joan walsh and irin carmon, thank you for your time tonight. >>> coming up, no more mr. nice guy. president obama is getting revved up for the next debate and says he's learned from the last one. >> governor romney had a good night. i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> well, it's not the first time i've had a bad night. if you have a bad game, you just move on. you look forward to the next one and it makes you that much more determined. >>> plus, shifty business. now the romney folks are lying about lying. we have the tape to prove them wrong. >>> and putting profits over people, romney's got a big china problem. and it's already hurting him in ohio. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. >>> mitt romney ripping the president about china but we're now learn

aiken told us the uterus can detect a rapist sperm and john walsh claimed the life of the mother is never in danger due to technology and now mrme of rape? >> yes and amazingly they want to appeal to women? i really can't understand why any woman is going to vote republican and now mitt romney has an ad up that was the democratic ad, but mitt romney has an ad up supporting richard mourdock, and i know there's a lot of people who are saying then if you really have a different view from mourdock, then take down your ad. >> isn't the fundamental problem here that while mitt romney and paul ryan go on to the debate stage, they claim to be moderate, considerate people. the fact is that they lead a party that is anything but moderate, and in 13 days' time, that party could have overwhelming power over this nation. >> you know, even though they're embarrassed by walsh and aiken and mourdock, if you really get down to it, mitt romney and certainly paul ryan's positions aren't very different from that. we absolutely heard that romney would like to get rid of planned parenthood, that he would like to overturn roe versus wade. supreme co

mr. romney wants the american people to trust him. but how can you trust a man who has no problem bending the truth to 67 million americans? joining me now is joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com and an msnbc political analyst. and democratic strategist bob shrum. let me thank you both for being here this evening. >> good to be here. >> bob, let me go to you first. six studies. wow, what do you have to say? six studies? >> after i watched ryan say that during the vice presidential debate and gulping water every two minutes, i thought maybe he had to wash his mouth out. several are blog posts. when ed gillespie says that harvard is pretty good at this, what he meant was harvard is associated with that. he says you would have to raise taxes on everybody over $100,000. romney says he won't touch anybody under $200,000. there's a new study out now by the joint committee on taxation that says if you close every one of these loopholes, if you get rid of every one of these tax benefits, you can only pay for 4% across the board tax cut. this is supply side dribble. we had it under bush. we had a huge deficit. no net job creation virtually and you can con

mr. mourdock said. >> well, right but there is an upside to rape is what they've been telling us and last week, we had joe walsh who said that because science is so great women no longer need abortions to protect their health. >> john: who would have ever guessed a guy named joe walsh would make the joe walsh from the eagles look like the wholesome one. what can the president or the democratic party do at this point to get female voters who have swung over to romney. romney to his credit have been effective in pushing this line, women care more about jobs than about abortion rights. it seems to have worked. what can democrats do to sway the voters back? >> well, you know, i think he will keep talking about what democrats have talked about for decades. i was looking at the statistics today. last time the republicans won the female vote was jimmy carter, gerald ford, they flip-flopped. it has been a long time since a republican has won the women vote. what's interesting about the mourdock story is how was it covered in the conservative press. how was it covered on fox news? that was absolutely the most interestin