. >> so who -- then there is a procedure that is missing, because my colleague mr. walz talked about you need to deal with protecting the whistle-blower, deal with making the long-term changes to the -- for the health and well-being of the veterans, but i want to get at the crux of the matter. who is investigating the retaliatory action and what is the disciplinary procedure for that person. do you follow me? the forest through the trees here. >> when someone makes a disclosure and experience retaliation, they have a number of options. they can go to the accountability review, they can go to the ig, they can come to osc, they can come to congress. if they experience retaliation, we can open up an investigation where we can use our expedited review process to get relief quickly for them. and we have been able to get relief quickly for at least -- >> you're still talking about relief to protect them. i want to follow -- keep going on the track. what is the procedure for disciplinary proceeding to set the example? look, that's half of what criminal justice system is all abo