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mr. mcgurk: yeah. representative higgins: the one thing that's can assistant in michael weiss' book, and "the black flag" the one thing constant about isis is change. evolved its reach and organizational ability. the isis presence in libya, i think, is particularly disturbing. stronghold inl north africa. africa is -- there's a lot of to exploit. you've got 55 countries. many of which are very, very to --le from south sudan just there's a lot of countries. concern is that while we may be influencing a loss of territorial control in iraq and the isisat about expanding in to other countries and the continent of africa. is a great it question. as we analyze this and discuss it with intelligence servicing all of governments and the different capitols around the world, the common theme that i mean i've heard this from malaysia to brussels the gulf is that this notion so many youngwing dangerousthis movement. that's why we're focused on the overall shh ringing the territory. in the narrative, it was one of the expansion and conquest. to show you are not expanding, you are shrinking. not going to live the glor

mr. mcgurk: yes. representative higgins: the one thing that's can assistant in reading michael weiss' book, and "the black flags" the one thing that seems constant about isis is change. isis has evolved its reach and organizational ability. the isis presence in libya, i think, is particularly disturbing. it is a pivotal stronghold in north africa. africa is -- there's a lot of instability to exploit. you've got 55 countries. many of which are very, very unstable from south sudan to -- just there's a lot of countries. my concern is that while we may be influencing a loss of territorial control in iraq and syria, what about the isis threat in expanding in to other countries and the continent of africa. mr. mcgurk: it is a great question. as we analyze this and discuss it with intelligence servicing -- services and the governments and all of the different capitols around the world, the common theme that we hear -- i mean i've heard this from malaysia to brussels to the gulf is that this notion of the caliphate is what is drawing so many young people to this dangerous movement. that's why we're focused on the