. >> mr. welch? >> i would not limit the federal backstop. >> mr. miller?i think we support plummeting and also respecting the circuit opinion we were involved in. >> thank you. deduce support federal back up signing for any reason other than reliability? >> i would not >> could you talk a little bit more about that first map, which mr. miller put up, that showed very rich wind resources along the east coast of the united states with the exception of some portions of the great flics and out on the west coast, it looks like its it has the greatest potential for renewable electricity generation in the country. >> you're absolutely right and as i may have mentioned we are pursuing a 150-megawatt form and as you mentioned we can do that 20 miles out and still be in 140 feet of water. that's not to underestimate the challenges of construction and operations and maintenance cost but we expect to bear the cost of the short-haul transmission and would be opposed to having a nationwide support for the long-haul transmission and the disadvantaged. >> what could happe

spratt for his leadership and i want to thank mr. welch and mr. miller who was one of the early leaders on pay-go and mr. hill of the blue dogs for co-sponsoring this along with literally 180 or more democrats supporting this important step. i will tell my friends i would hope this was bipartisan. but the economic program we adopted in 1993 was not bipartisan either. it led to the best economy i have seen in my lifetime in this country. the principle reason for that economic well being in america was the chip. not government, the chip. where the information technology age exploded. provided extraordinary revenues for our country. it is the private sector that drives our economy. it's the private sector that will give us wealth and that creates jobs. not the government. but the government can create policies within which the private sector and particularly venture capitalists can have a confidence we are managing our finances responsibly. that's what this bill does. vote for this important piece of legislation. i yield back the balance of my time.

mr. welch: thank you. i'm here, too, to join in advocacy for pay-go legislation that is going to come before the house floor this week. you know, pay-go is what it sounds like. if we have a new program we have to find a way to for it, either through cuts or revenues. if we have a proposed tax cut, we have to find a way to pay for it. either in a reduction in programs elsewhere or shifting of priorities and spending. and it's a very simple elemental approach. if you're going to pay for -- if you're going to buy something you have to pay for it. families know it in their family budgets. they have to do it all the of the time. and government really is no different. it's no different because in the end if we borrow money at some point we're going to have to pay it back. and we've gotten into a habit in this congress of not paying for things. in some cases expenditure programs. in other cases tax cuts. and we've had some back and forth this morning with our friends on the other side of the aisle and without get

bill: mr. welch is in a lot of trouble, wouldn't you say? >> boy, oh boy.ed that i'm being compared. >> here is why you are more sensitive than him. he is from a different generation of white male ceos, frankly. he literally has been out of the game for ten years. wouldn't you want to be able to say we want more women ceos. 2.9% of fortune ceos are women. bill: he says he wants them. wouldn't the next logical step be what we need to do with our company is to make them more worker friendly. have flex time. have other policies that encourage women. bill: isn't that affirmative action, affirmative action, absolutely not. look, the reason we are different from the taliban is because we use all of our resources. we have women in the workplace, men in the workplace. one of the many reasons we are different from the taliban. >> i don't disagree with you. welch wasn't talking about what should be. he was talking about what is. as huddy pointed out he was honest about it he said look, the competition at that level, the ceo level to the highest spot of the land is ve

and i supported and i would yield to mister welch. >> thank you, mr. hairman. >> without objection. i would ask unanimous consent that we give two minutes to mister welch and two minutes to mr. rush and then we will move on. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to thank the republican colleagues as well. i do believe that we are here with a common enterprise, and the goal is to do something very challenging. to change our health care system. and it's very simple to me what our goals are. we want a system where everybody is covered in order to achieve that everybody has to help pay. and each and every single one of us has a stake in making and maintaining it as an affordable system here and what we have is a tale of two charge that we have mr. gingrich's chart or can we like to criticize it, but it's a pretty competent example of what our health care system is right now. and we have mr. weiner's chart. those of us who advocate for single-payer do so because we believe it can achieve simplicity, better value, health care for all, all of us having a stake in

mr. welch. mr. welch, no. mr. barton. mr. barton, aye. mr. upton, aye. mr. stern. mr. diehl, aye. mr. whitfield, aye. mr. blunt. mr. blunt. mr. blunt, aye. mr. boyer. mr. boyer, aye. mr. pitts. mr. pitts, aye. mr. terry. mr. terry, aye. >> mr. rogers. mr. rogers, aye. mr. sullivan. mr. sullivan, aye. mr. murphy of pennsylvania. mr. murphy, aye. mr. burgess. mrs. blackburn. mrs. blackburn, aye. mrs. scolise, aye. mrs. christianson votes no. mr. rusch, no. mr. stupack, no. mr. doyle, mr. doyle, no. mr. marqui, no. mr. mathison. mr. mathison votes n@@@@@@@ @ @ cracks mr. ross folks know. >> have all members responded to the call of the role? this is an opportunity if anyone wishes to change his or her vote. the clerk will report the vote. vote. >> clerk will vote report the votes. >> 22 ayes, 32 noes. the amendment is not agreed to. you have an amendment at the desk. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i have an amendment at the desk. 06 069. >> may we get the decision on that amendment? it's either "a" or "b." it's to "b." >> to "b"? thank you. >> clerk will report the amendment. >> young l

and i yield to mr. welch. well well as you know -- mr. welch: dairy farmers are paying $18 to produce. the upside pay scale is unsustainable and already forced dozens of vermont farmers out of business. we offered an amendment to the bill to raise the payment rates on the milk while milk program isn't program it is a way to put money back in the pocket of farmers and we appreciate your support and we believe you grow that congress must take action to help our struggling dairy farmers and we can't sit and wait. i thank the chair woman and look forward to continuing to work with her and my colleague from connecticut. and i yield back. ms. delauro: i thank my friend from vermont and my friend from connecticut and i applaud the continued efforts to help the dairy industry. and i look forward to working with you. the chair: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlelady from connecticut. ms. delauro: i yield one minute to the the gentleman from new jersey, mr. holt, for the purposes of a colloquy. the chair: the gentleman from new jersey is r

the gentleman from vermont, mr. welch. and the gentleman from virginia, mr. whitman.five, as each of these members represents approximately 650,000 americans, approximately 25 million denied their right to be represented because the restrictive rules supported by the rule from the gentleman from wisconsin pleasure obey, failed to follow the precedents and procedures of the house. mr. obey was correct that a true representative democracy is impossible when 25,350,000 americans have their representative of congress shut out of the legislative process. seven, as a result of their restrictive rule implemented by the democratic majority, the house was not allowed to vote or debate issues such as an amendment that would reduce spend big 1.7%, saving taxpayers $2.9 million. an amendment to prohibit an eligible individual from receiving food stamps, an amendment to end taxpayer subsidies for procedures. an amendment to prevent federal employees from being paid to do union activities in their official work hours. an amendment to permit agencies to purchase alternative fuels, a

i yield three minutes to the gentleman from vermont, mr. welch. spripe the gentleman is recognized for three minutes. mr. welch: sometimes the american people don't pay attention to an awful lot of what we say here. frequently when they don't, they're right. if this debate is really about accusations and counteraccusations about who is responsible, we're not going to get anywhere. the american people know we have to pay our bills. we have to as a government just like they do individually. we have honest debates about what should be our priorities. i've been an admirer of the gentleman from wisconsin in his persistence in talk about fiscal responsibility. i disagree with the gentleman from wisconsin that the weight of fiscal prosperity is by radical reduction of taxes for very wealthy people. that's a fair and honest debate. on our side, there's some folks who think the worthiness of the goal of health care for all americans is its own justification and a way to pay for it. i disagree with that. if it is a worthy goal, we have to turn aspiration in

mr. welch? mr. welch, no. mr. barton? mr. barton votes aye. mr. hall? mr. hall, aey. mr. upton? mr.aye. mr. stern? mr. deal? mr. deal votes aye. mr. whitfield? mr. whitfield, aye. mr. schimpf kiss? aye. mr. blunt? mr. buier? mr. buier votes aye. mr. redone vits? mr. redone vits, aye. mr. pitt? mr. pitt, aye. ms. bono-mack? aye. mr. walden? mr. walden, aye. mr. terry? mr. terry votes aye. mr. rogers? mr. rogers, aye. mrs. myra? mr. sullivan? mr. sullivan votes aye. mr. murphy of pennsylvania? mr. murphy, aye. mr. burr xres? mr. burgess, aye. ms. blackburn. ms. black burn votes aye. mr. gingrey? mr. gingrey, aye. mr. skully? mr. skully, aye. mr. markey? mr. markey votes no. mr. stupak? mr. stupak votes no. mr. rush reported as pass. mr. rush votes off pass on no. mr. ross? mr. ross votes no. mr. space? mr. space, no. mr. shaddok? mr. shaddock votes aye. >> have all members responded to follow the rule? if so, the clerk will tell me the vote. >> on that vote, mr. chairman, there were 20 ayes and thirt 35. the amendment is not agreed to. ms. sutton, for what purpose do you seek recognit

mr. welch: thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, mr. thompson. it's a pleasure to work with you on this important legislation. this important resolution. as my friend and colleague from connecticut, mr. courtney, said, our dairy farms face a crisis they have never, ever seen. the crisis they face is not of their own making. farmers have to live within uncertainty of nature. they have to live with the uncertainty of a collapse of an export market. that's what happened here when there was a scare in china. they have to live with the uncertainty of an economy where prices in the purchasing of cheese and secondary nonfluid milk products has come down with the recession. yet the importance of us to have local agricultural activities in all of our districts has never been more important. people want and need local agriculture. in my state it's dairy. that's the backbone of our agricultural industry. in your state it may be wheat, potatoes. in states across the country where there is local agriculture it serves not just the needs of our farmers who make

no mr. welch, no. mr. barton, aye. mr. hall? mr. hall, aye. mr. upton. mr. upton aye. mr. stern? mr. deal. aye. mr. whitfield, aye. mr. shimkus? mr. shimkus, aye. aye. mr. blunt? mr. blunt, aye. mr. boyer? mr. ra don vich, aye. mr. pipp, aye. mrs. bono mack, aye. mr. terry. aye. mrs. myruck. aye. mr. sullivan, aye. mr. murphy of pennsylvania. aye. mr. burgess. aye. ms. blackburn, aye. mr. gin gri, aye. aye. >> mr. rush? >> he is not recorded. mr. rush, no. mrs. capp, no. mr. mcnerny, no. mr. boyer? mr. boyer, aye. mr. space? mr. space votes no. >> mr. who? >> mr. hill, aye. >> will the clerk call the roll of those who have not responded the vote? call the names of those who have not been recorded? >> mr. boucher, mr. engle. >> the clerk will call them. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i believe that's everyone, mr. chairman. >> any member wish to respond to the vote who has not voted? any member wish to change his or her vote? the clerk will tally the vote and report it. >> mr. chairman there were 28 yk >> republican congressman mike rogers offered an amendment that would leave treatm

miller and mr. welchho worked to restore this important budgetary tool to help move the nation from dangerous deficits to surpluses in the late 1990's, a tool that was abandoned by the republicans in the bush administration. in 2006, the new majority established house pay-go rules in an effort to restore fiscal discipline to congress sm the house pay-go rules and this statutory pay-go bill stand for a simple principle. new entitlement spending and new tax cuts should be paid for. we can't have everything we want. we need to do what families in south dakota and across the nation do, budget responsibly. it's not, our nation our will pay the price. we paid $249 billion in net interest to service government debt in fiscal year 2008. we know something is wrong with our priorities. think of what we could do with an extra of a quarter of a trillion dollars, we could invest in needed priorities or pay down the debt. the house pay-go rules is the first step. the massive buildup of debt that occurred over the past

no mr. welch, no. mr. barton, aye. mr. hall? mr. hall, aye. mr. upton. mr. upton aye. mr. stern?deal. aye. mr. whitfield, aye. mr. shimkus? mr. shimkus, aye. aye. mr. blunt? mr. blunt, aye. mr. boyer? mr. ra don vich, aye. mr. pipp, aye. mrs. bono mack, aye. mr. terry. aye. mrs. myruck. aye. mr. sullivan, aye. mr. murphy of pennsylvania. aye. mr. burgess. aye. ms. blackburn, aye. mr. gin gri, aye. aye. >> mr. rush? >> he is not recorded. mr. rush, no. mrs. capp, no. mr. mcnerny, no. mr. boyer? mr. boyer, aye. mr. space? mr. space votes no. >> mr. who? >> mr. hill, aye. >> will the clerk call the roll of those who have not responded to the vote? call the names of those who have not been recorded? >> mr. boucher, mr. engle. >> the clerk will call them. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i believe that's everyone, mr. chairman. >> any member wish to respond to the vote who has not voted? any member wish to change his or her vote? the clerk will tally the vote and report it. >> mr. chairman there were 28 ñ your bill all plans must comply with the government. >> i note the language does say

miller from california, a co-sponsor that have bill, and mr. welch from vermont, a pretty broad spectrum of our membership, indicating that there is a real commitment to pay as you go. we believe that's an important principle. we also, as i'm sure the gentleman knows, pay-go was first adopted in 1990 as a result of a conference that was held out at andrews air force baste. someone was representing president bush. he was then the head of o.m.b. and there was a bipartisan agreement to acosmopolitan cosmopolitan the stat toit -- to adopt the statutory pay-go and we did that. in 1997 mr. gingrich and mr. clinton entered into an agreement on a statutory pay-go and then we passed in a bipartisan way in 1997. when it was to be re-authorized in 2002 and 2003 it was allowed to lapse. i think that was unfortunate. my premise is it was allowed to lapse because making the tax cuts that you wanted to propose in 2003 and indeed in 2001, you waived it in 2001, would have been impossible from your perspective to pay for those cuts. so statutory pay-go did not apply

have a headline f you and i wantou to ask your husband the great jack welch if men, even happily married menaybe look a women. ask mrh because he's a eahead of state in his own right. >> i would know his answer. he doesn't look at anye else. >> okay, t's get h on the phone. i'm not going to touch that. >> sck to the obvious. >> i agree with you. i age with you. >> and actually think that cture is disrespectful to the president d you know he wasn't loing that woman. >> i'm going back to my muffin, banana nut. >>here is my low fat conut muffin? i've bwaiting. >>haa lot demanng people on the show this morning. en we come back, are taxpayers getting shortchang from the bank baoutprogram? 'll talk to the headof the congressiol oversight panel. also "t washington post" gene robion,awrence o'donnell, he's crazy and he'sgoing to be here. and lester holt we'll preview his msnbc special this weekend on aircraft safety. plus a look at the stories politico is workinon >>> sarah pan longer governor of alaska and it looks now likehe may g her own television proam and i was thinking i don't know. she seems pretty camera shy. here

journalist chris welch who is standing by, by the way, that her children have been seated, bristol and willow. also the lieutenant governor sean parnell is there as well. do we have that picture of mr. parnell that chris sent us? he's arriving there at pioneer park. it's about to get under way. why don't we head out there and talk to chris. chris, tell us what you're seeing there. >> reporter: hey, don. i hope you can still hear me. military band has begun playing as you've been hearing. the crowd here's been waiting. we saw lieutenant governor parnell walk out. shortly behind her was governor sarah palin, soon to be former governor sarah palin. they walked out, they walk through the crowd and apparently they've gone into another holding room inside a boat museum. looks like a boat. they will then come out when the program starts. i guess in about just over an hour from now, sarah palin will have left office an shawn parnell will be the new governor of alaska. >> you were saying that there are about 2,000 people there as of 45 minutes ago? >> that's my best guess. >> the crowd gotten any bigger if. >> the crowd's definitely condensed in this one area where there is a stage, podium,