mr. welchi have one comment and four questions and i'll go lickedy split and i'll ask all four of them. you've been commented as a great nuclear energy of secretary. but you do the best of louie teon and i think all members should ask for a demonstration. >> including the look to god. >> the look to god. >> the whole thing. but the questions one, the committee has been doing great work on energy and suv and in vermont it has been embraced and led to our transmission company developco avoid $400 million avoid and i want to know what we can do to avoid the benefit of avoided cost. and second we've been trying to get realtime information on rates in new england because our rates are very high and your department has been helpful trying to get realtime information in all of the states and canada and mexico but has been having real challenges in actually getting that information. and i'm curious to know, what you find is the reasons why it is so tough to get that and what the department and ferc can

thank you. >> thank you, mr. welch. the third question on the emissions and there's biomass goes i sent them that we will get back to you on because i don't know the answer right now. be energy efficient the and vermont will again -- vermont has done a fabulous job in terms of efficient the novel business models for supplying energy. but i would say there to maintain, the recommendation in the? we are our developments to that into a third experiment than that adrian is filed as we need to develop an idea we will start delving into this much more. we need to devise a much better way of valuing all the services provided in an electricity system. efficiency storage diversity, capacity power quality. there are all of these issues and the traditional business model was basically one way from a central plant to a house. it kind of all but one together. now with much more diversity, distributed generation we know that energy efficiency this involves another hot issue right now in the court is to what extent does end-use effici

thank you. >> well thank you, mr. welch. four questions. actually the third question on emission standards of bio mass stoves is something we will get back to you on because i don't know the answer right now. that's one we can take care of. on energy efficiency and vermont, well, as you know i was in vermont with the delegation and vermont has done a fabulous job in terms of efficiency with novel novel business models for supplying energy. but i would say the main thing, the recommendation in the qer, relevance to that, and to a certain extent to the net metering discussion as well is that we need to develop and the d.o.e., we will start really delving into this much more, we need to devise a better way of valuing the services that can be provided in the electricity system efficiency storage, diversity, capacity, power quality. there are all these issues, when we had the traditional business model and it was basically one way from a central plant to a house, kind of got lumped together. with more diversity, with storage coming in in some ca

thank you. >> thank you, mr. welch. so the four questions, the third question on pt emission standards of biomass stoves is something we'll get back to you on. i don't know the answer right now. but that's one we can take care of. the energy efficiency in vermont, again as you know i was in vermont with the delegation and vermont has done a fabulous job in terms of efficiency with novel novel business models for supplying energy. but i would say there the -- the main thing the recommendation in the qer relevance to that and to a certain extent to the net metering discussion as well is that we need to develop and d.o.e. we'll start really delving into this much more, we need to deadvise a better way of valuing all of the services that can be interpreted in the system, efficiency storage diversity, capacity, power quality. all of these issues and when we had the traditional business model and it was basically within way from a central plant to a house, well, kind of all got lumped together. but now with much more diversit

. >> this time the chair recognizes the gentleman from vermont, mr. welch. >> thank you very much. i have one comment and four questions. i think i'll ask them all four so you can answer them. . comment you've been getting praised for being a great secretary of energy and sideline as a nuclear negotiator. but i don't think people know that you do the best imitation of louie tiant his wind-up, delivery and pitch. i think you should give a demonstration. >> including the look to god. >> the look to god. the whole thing. but the questions, one with be this committee's been doing great work on energy efficiency. energy efficiency in vermont has been fully embraced and it has led to our transmission company velco, being able to avoid about $400 million in exof expenses associated with transmission lines. so i want your comment on what we can do as a committee and the federal government can do to help get the benefits of avoided cost. second, we've been trying to get real-time information on electricity rates in new england in significant part because our rates are very high. and your de

congressman welch kilmer, and schrader to secretary burwell, without objection, entered in the record, and chair recognizes the gentle lady from illinois five minutes for questioning. >> thank you mr. chairman. there's also built of deja vu for me. my career started in the grocery store 45 years ago when a small group of housewives wanted to know how old our food was because everything was code dated, and we did -- like detectives cracked some codes and found things that were days, weeks, months and years beyond the date. we didn't question the date and now everybody looks at the date. i look to stand in the food dairy section and watch people check the milk dates. we want to encourage people to look at the calories. whether or not my colleague from illinois does, maybe he should. and maybe we all should. and i just -- i want to suggest in terms of pizza. if there were a board that said, on a slice of pizza this is how much sausage on that slice this is how much pepperoni adds to the slays. i can figure out relatively whether i get sausage or pepperoni or if there's a difference or if i get mushrooms or whatever, i can see that. this is not hard and i'm sorry it's not hard. to lis