mr. werner gave with variations. this is the final list. commissioner hwang: i think i recall you stated that earlier. i just wanted to hear from mr. paul. when you and ms. unterberger review that list? did she review this list? >> she did. >> was there an opportunity would have had to discuss this, or was it -- >> she discussed it with a contractor. i was not involved until after this appeal was filed. commissioner hwang: got it. do you know what happened, based on your discussion, whether any attempts were made to get to this fourth column, a possible remedy? >> no, i do not believe so. in march of this year, sally's hands were both bandaged from surgery she had experienced. she was not in a position to be putting a lot of energy into resolving the problems that may occur with mr. wermer's remodel. she wants to correct situations that exist on her property. she now has an nov to act on. that is what she is trying to act on. commissioner hwang: thank you. president peterson: mr. kornfield? >> i have only to add that in exhibit a, where it i