mr. wilkins came to me. and at one point, i said to roy wilkins, i said, "mr. wilkins, this speech represents the young people in the student nonviolent coordinating committee and all of the people, indigenous people in alabama and georgia and mississippi and all across the south." and he sort of walked away, sort of backed off. then, mr. randolph and dr. king came back and said -- dr. king said, "john, this doesn't sound like you." and mr. randolph said something like, "we come this far together, john. let's stay together." and i couldn't say no to a. philip randolph. i couldn't say no to martin luther king, jr. >> so you agreed to some changes. you took out the words criticizing the president's bill as being too little and too late. you took out the call to march through the heart of dixie the way sherman did. you took out the question asking which side is the federal government on. you took out the reference to some political leaders as "cheap," and you took them out, you're saying, because you were on the team, and because you honored a. philip randolph and

mr. wilkin. and he said to me can we change that? i said john, that doesn't sound like you. and mr.gether. let's stay together. i couldn't say no to a. phillip randolph. i couldn't say no to martin luther king jr. >> as you walked to the podium here to speak, what was going through your mind. you'd been in the trenches, you'd been arrested. you faced all that. what were you thinking when you stood here and looked out? >> when i stood here and looked out and saw the sea of humanity, i was gratified. i was deeply moved and inspired so many people had turned out. some people say it was 250,000 people. i think it was many more. i looked to my right and i saw all of these young people standing there just cheering. and then i looked to my left, i saw young men black and white, up in the trees trying to get a better view of the podium and the lincoln memorial. and i looked straight ahead and i saw all of these people with their shoes off, their feet in the water trying to cool off. i looked straight ahead and i said to myself, this is it. and i started speaking. >> those saying be patient

mr. wilkins, there are a great many people as i'm sure you know that believe it would be impossible to bringundred thousand militant negroeinto washington without rioting. >> i don't think there will be rioting. i don't think people just assembling is cause for apprehension about a riot. city of washington has accommodated much larger crowds and nobody has talked up in advance the possibility of violence. >> i mean, this was the real talking point on the right back then. doesn't it expose why the march was needed in the first place, james? >> it does. and again, it speaks to the history i was talking about in my earlier comment. i'm reminded as we approach the march and all the work he did in making the phone calls and going door to do for, setting up the stage and lineup. what's interesting here, people maybe don't understand this as much is that a lot of these organizations trained their constituents. they trained folk to be able to conduct non-direct -- a non-violent direct action without being distracted or deterred by people yelling at you, throwing things at you. so there was preparati

mr. wilkins and i said roy, this is my speech. and i'm speaking for the young people.ing people fresh from jails. and he sort of dropped it. and randolph and martin luther king, jr. came to me. and we met right on the side of mr. lincoln. the music was already playing. someone had a portable;÷ñ÷ typewriter. and dr. king said to me, john that doesn't sound like you. and mr. randolph said, john we've come this far together let's stay together. i could not say no to randolph or martin luther king, jr.. mr. randolph had been dreaming of a march on washington since the days of roosevelt and the days of truman. so we made the changes. and i deleted all the reference to sherman. and sort of suggested thateñ we would be forced to march through cities, including cities in the north as well as the south. >> so after the speech was over, you went back to the white house and this time the president was happier? >> after dr. king had delivered his i have a dream speech, president kennedy invited us back to the white house. he was stand in the oval office. he was just smiling almos

mr. wilkins, the march on wednesday is the psychological climax of a movement that has been crescendoing for many months. what do you plan after wednesday? >> after wednesday, of course, will be the follow-up on the crescendo, as you say, that has been developing. it will be immediately addressed to the task of getting legislation through the congress, and then it will proceed, as it must proceed, on all local and state levels, to the elimination step by step, or sweepingly as the case might be, of remaining pockets of discrimination, even while we wait for legislation from the congress. there will be one other aspect, of course, and that has been developing all along. that is to guide and direct and instruct and inspire the negro population to take part-- that is, in a sense of responsibility-- in the newly integrated society, and this is going forward, contrary to a great many critics. >> dr. king, you are quoted in today's "new york times" magazine as saying, the negros demand for equality must be approximated if not totally fulfilled. would you say what you believe approximate equali

mr. wilkins, there are a great many people, as i'm sure you know, that believe it would be impossible tog more than 100,000 militant negroes into washington without incidence and possibly riot. >> i don't think there will be any rioting. i don't think a hundred thousand people, just assembling, is cause for apprehension about a riot. the city of washington has accommodated much larger crowds and nobody has talked up in advance the possibility of violence. >> so as you just pointed out, all of the violence up to this moment had been against demonstrators, against civil rights activists, and yet the question was, are you guys going to come here and riot? >> segregation was government policy. it was a part of the structure of our society at that time. the march on washington, the military had locked down the airport, transit and bus stations. they coraled the five military bases in this area, including the naval base. they put police on 18-hour shifts. and evened that black and whites in the same police car for the first time. they closed the liquor stores for the first time since prohibiti

mr. wilkins and she says bill, thought you might be interested in this. it deals with the tax code citizens united. bill, thought you might be interested in this in light of your earlier e-mail. so we get that e-mail but not the earlier e-mail. we want all the e-mails. this is a great example. he said we are sending you some. mr. werfel, we want them all. let me ask you this why have you limited the search? like a few limited the search to may 10th, 2013? there's still all kind of case is pending. people still haven't got a resolution to their tax-exempt status. why are you limiting -- >> i can answer all those questions. first let me point out the process moves forward. it's not like it's over today. there is a corporation that can access of and if you have particular documents you are not seeing coming through in the midst of all of these tens of thousands of pages, you bring it to our attention -- >> you told me earlier that you haven't finished -- >> we are reviewing them and i can explain the subject of that review as they are ready they come over bu

mr. wilkins inform about this targeting when he found out about it? what was the extent of the treasury department's role regarding lowest learner revealing, in response to a planted question that the i.r.s. had targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status at an american bar association conference? when did any employee of the treasury department first have involvement regarding the i.r.s. targeting of conservative groups' applications for tax-exempt status? what was the first date that any white house official was informed about the i.r.s. targeting of conservative applicants for tax-exempt stat status? it has been reported that pro publica obtained private information fro from the i.r.s. about conservative groups that are h applied for tax-exempt status. iin addition, it had been reported that the i.r.s. he will legally leaked information about its donors. what action, if any, has been taken by the i.r.s. and the department of justice with respect to any i.r.s. employee who may have illegally disclosed either of these cases? these are

mr. lincoln. >> is that right? >> and we had a portable typewriter. and the executive secretary, randolph was there. dr. king and wilkining said to me, john, can we change that? he said that doesn't sound like you. i know you. he said we come this far together. let's stay together. can we make those changes? i couldn't say no to a. phillip randolph. i couldn't say no to martin luther king jr. >> as you walk to the podium to speak, what was going through your mind? you'd been in the trenches. you'd been arrested. you faced all of that. what were you thinking when you stood here and looked out at the crowd? >> when i stood here and looked out and saw the sea of humanity, i was gratified. i was deeply moved and inspired that so many people had turned out. some people said it was 250,000 people. i think it was many more. i think it was a great undercount. i looked to my right and i saw all of these young people standing there just cheering. and then i looked to my left. i saw young men black and white up in the trees trying to get a better view of the podium. and the lincoln memorial. and i looked straight ahead with so ma

mr. lincoln. >> is that right? >> and we had a portable typewriter. and the executive secretary, randolph was there. dr. king and wilkinat? he said that doesn't sound like you. i know you. he said we come this far together. let's stay together. can we make those changes? i couldn't say no to a. phillip randolph. i couldn't say no to martin luther king jr. >> as you walk to the podium to speak, what was going through your mind? you'd been in the trenches. you'd been arrested. you faced all of that. what were you thinking when you stood here and looked out at the crowd? >> when i stood here and looked out and saw the sea of humanity, i was gratified. i was deeply moved and inspired that so many people had turned out. some people said it was 250,000 people. i think it was many more. i think it was a great undercount. i looked to my right and i saw all of these young people standing there just cheering. and then i looked to my left. i saw young men black and white up in the trees trying to get a better view of the podium. and the lincoln memorial. and i looked straight ahead with so many people with their feet in the water

mr. chairman. may i have 10 seconds? the gentleman just said that we haven't received documents with regard to william wilkins. we have received them. not all of them, but i have them right here. if the gentleman would like to have them, i will give them to him. >> gentleman yields back. i think we have even time now. the gentleman from ohio can be recognized now. >> first off, let me join my colleagues in being outraged at the fact that the irs at the beginning it not tell the truth. we are not dealing with the irs coming forth and saying this is what happened to the american public or the committee. the irs came first with a fiction that this was done by rogue agents. now we are learning that it is not. they are not being forthcoming. it is astounding to have both members of this investigative responsibility to this committee and yourself, mr. werfel, to spend -- defend not giving us information. the chairman has said, luckily, we are not dependent on your good graces. the chairman is issuing subpoenas. we have the full ability to use the federal government authority to compel your answers since you have not

mr. chairman. may i have 10 seconds? the gentleman just said that we haven't received documents with regard to william wilkins. we have received them.we have r. not all of them, but i have them right here. tothe gentleman would like have them, i will give them to him. >> gentleman yields back. i think we have even time now. the gentleman from ohio can be recognized now. >> first off, let me join my colleagues in being outraged at the fact that the irs at the beginning it not tell the truth. we are not dealing with the irs coming forth and saying this is what happened to the american public or the committee. the irs came first with a fiction that this was done by rogue agents. now we are learning that it is not. they are not being forthcoming. it is astounding to have both members of this investigative responsibility to this committee and yourself, mr. werfel, to spend -- defend not giving us information. the chairman has said, luckily, we are not dependent on your good graces. the chairman is issuing subpoenas. we have the full ability to use the federal government authority to compel your answers have not cho

mr. chairman? >> wait a second. we have 10 seconds. and go ahead. >> may i have 10 seconds? the gentleman just said that we hadn't received documents with regard to william wilkins. we have received a minor we received all of them. i've got them right here. in the gentleman like that have and i will give them to him. >> the gentleman u.s.-backed. okay, i think we even time now and i think mr. turner, the children from ohio, is to be recognized. >> first of all let me join my colleagues, mr. jordan and the chairman being advised of the fact that our the irs in the beginning didn't tell the truth on this. we are not deal with the irs coming forward and saying this is what happened. either to the american public or to this committee. the irs came forward first with a fiction that this was something that was done by rogue agents in cincinnati but now we are learning of course it was not. now they're not being forthcoming with information and is just astounding to have members of this investigative responsibility of this committee and certainly yourself, mr. werfel, defend not giving us in american public information but the chairman has said, luckily, we are not dep