mr. burke said not good. 18 miles within. thereafter, at 10:04, deputy chief of staff, monte wilkinson said, in an e-mail to mr. burke, tragic, i've alerted the a.g., acting dag, lisa, et cetera would it be correct to assume that the way you learned of brian terry's death was mr. mr. wilkinson himself of his statement that he notified you. >> it's entirely possible i knew about it before monte told me. >> you have no reason to dispute that monte told you about it. >> i suppose he did, but i'm saying when it comes to -- when a law enforcement death, especially involving law enforcement that information gets to me very quickly. >> and it should. >> and to follow up on that, in the e-mail exchange, later at 11:15 a.m. that morning, another e-mail to dennis burke, saying please provide additional details as they become available to you, asking the u.s. attorney in arizona, please tell us, mr. attorney, u.s. attorney, we want to know more. later that day, in an e-mail from mr. burke, the u.s. attorney in arizona, to mr. wilkinson, your deputy chief, the guns found in the desert connect back to the investigation, we

mr. wilkinson, or anybody else was aware of these tactics until the january, february time frame, late january, to early february time frame. that is -- you make no inquiry as to whether this vaes investigation involved the gun walking? >> i'm sorry? >> you made no inquiry as to the investigation involving brian terry's death involved gun walking? >>> i have no indication. there was no indication, no basis to believe that gun walking was part of any of this. i knew nothing about gun walk org the use of that technique until february, and by february the 28th and early march, i said guess what? we're not doing gun walking. it tuque took me or month or less than a month. brought to my attention fairly rapid response to say don't ever do this again. >> we go to the gentle lady from california. ms. spear for five minutes. >> thank you. over here, attorney the last pe totem pole so to speak. >> she'll be moving up in future years. >> don't count on it. in any case, first of all, let me say that i think we can stipulate for the record that this hideous chapter in the attorney general's office, dating

mr. monty wilkinson may have informed you of agent terry's murder in a timely fashion. is that true? >> he may v i know the murder occurred december 14th. i heard about it probably within 24 hours. i don't know if it came from monty wilkinson or somebody else from my staff. i knew about the murder within 24 hours of its occurrence. >> when you were informed about that within 24 hours, did anyone inform you or allude to the fact that weapons found at the scene were from fast and furious? >> no. i didn't know about operation fast and furious until the beginning parts of 2011 after i received that letter from senator grassley at the end of january. that was about operation gun runner. i learned about the fast and furious operation in february of that year. >> would you make available to us, through whatever records can you find, the name of the person who informed you, so we can ascertain why that individual would not or did not tell you what was widely known almost immediately, that in fact law enforcement allowed weapons walked, that basically these were fast and furious weapons. e-ma

mr. monty wilkinson may have informed you of agent terry's murder in a timely fashion, is that true? >> he may have. i know the murder occurred december 14th. i heard about it, i think, probably within 24 hours. i don't know if it came from monty wilkinson or some other member of my staff, but i knew about the murder within 24 hours of its occurrence. >> when you were informed about that within 24 hours, did anyone inform you or allude to the fact that the weapons found at the scene were from fast and furious? >> no. i didn't know about operation fast and furious until the beginning parts of 2011 after i received that letter from senator grassley, i guess, at the end of january and then that was about operation gun runner. of i actually learned about the fast and furious operation in february of that year. >> would you -- >> 2011. >> would you make available to us through whatever records you can find the name of the person who informed you so that we can ascertain why that individual would not or did not tell you what was widely known almost immediately that, in fact, law enforcemen

mr. monte wilkinson may have informed you of agent terry's murder in a timely fashion, is that true? . .>> i know the murder occurred december 14. i heard about probably within 24 hours of its occurrence. >> we were informed about that within 24 hours, did anyone inform you or allude to the fact that the weapons found at the scene were from fast and furious? >> no. i did not know about operation fast and furious until the beginning part of 2011 after received that letter from senator grassley and at the end of january. that was about operation gun runner. i actually learned about fast and furious in february of that year. >> would you make available to us through whatever records you can find the name of the person who inform you, so that we can ascertain why that individual would not or did not tell you what was widely known almost immediately, that in fact, law enforcement allow weapons to walk, that basically these were fast and furious weapons. the emailed we have received through whistle-blower show extensively that law enforcement was aware and concerned about it. we would like

mr. monty wilkinson may have been formed to of agent terry's murder in a timely fashion. is that true?> i know the murder occurred december 14. i heard about probably within 24 hours of its occurrence. >> we were informed about that within 24 hours, did anyone inform you or allude to the fact that the weapons found at the scene were from fast and furious creston or >> know, i did not know about operation fast and furious until the beginning part of 2011 after received that letter from senator grassley and at the end of january. that was about operation gun runner. i actually learned about fast and furious in february of that year. >> would you make available to us through whatever records you can find the name of the person who inform you, so that we can ascertain why that individual would not or did not tell you what was widely known almost immediately, that in fact, law enforcement allow weapons to walk, that basically these were fast and furious weapons. the emailed we have received through whistle-blower show extensively that law enforcement was aware and concerned about it. we wou