mr. winkler and mr. st. jermaine and their ideas were congenial to the ideas and theory offered about procedural justice. and the first panel mr. winkler, you didn't specifically use those words you used reconciliation and restoration, but it's pretty much i think, you know, this idea of reform is consistent. here's my question. in your written testimony you mentioned two things. decentralization as an important key to repairing trust between individuals and then you have an idea about the federal mandate for system wide accountability for juvenile and criminal justice systems. i was particularly curious about decentralization given that the first panel was making comments, i think, in the opposite direction. you know, the idea that we might need to look to more centralization, you know, uniform ideas for standards for policing. so if you could say a little bit about what you mean by decentralization in your recommendation, that would be helpful. and if we have time, the federal mandate on what that is. than

mr. jim winkler and carmen perez. and i also vow to not take so much of your time since i've already arrived late. and also a lot of the things that mr. winkler mentioned, i will just try to not rub it in too much. i grew up in brooklyn. i grew up in a pretty rough environment. and dealing with police officers officers it was a daily routine for us where i grew up. and i remember when i was about 9 years old, i actually wanted to be a police officer. i think it was my commitment and some of the things that i wanted to achieve. i wanted to do it through public service. and i feel like a police officer would allow me to do so. and i was approximately, i think, about 16 or 17 there was a case in new york city where a young man who was coming from his bachelor's party, his name one sean bell. about three to four police officers crashed into him and they were about maybe 30 to approximately 40 bullets shot at his car. and most of his friends got injured and sean bell, unfortunately, died. and i remember paying attention to