mr. winslow and i had the same conversation. that's really the -- it's really the notch, you know, without -- without theridg bs. i mean, i think we're at this kind of, is it a notch or two towers? we're really talking about the size ofhe notch and whether there is ridges across the notch or not and there's two staircases on one side or not. i appreciate the discussion because i think it's gotten to the point where we're there. i asked mr. winslow in the back about it. i think you generally agree. we're kind of -- if you fill in the bottom of a two-tower alternative which we should because we shouldn't leave open space on the podium. that really is not useful open space. we're at the notch. you know, it's how high that building comes up and whether you have courtyards across it. in looking at mr. winslow's design, there's problems with it, too. i mean, we've got -- i argued with them about t he's got a two bedroom that's awkwardly setbact courtyard. we're kind of trading that for some imposition on the 60 by 111 foot court yard.

mr. winslow's design, there's problems with it, too. i mean, we've got -- i argued with them about t he's got a two bedroom that's awkwardly set back with 25 by 30 foot courtyard. we're kind of trading that for some imposition on the 60 by 111 foot court yard. he has the two bedroom starting to encroach on the bay crest main courtyard. it's not right at the plot property line. it's coming in some feet. it's lower, but it's coming in on the sides to almosting 45 feet. so i think we're a lot closer than what i'm hearing from people, whether it's the two tower design or the notch. i think both are kind of morphing into the same project. so not to belabor this so long, i'm supportive of a project and maximizing housing. i would support a project that i think is a four-floor notch, 45 feet wide. i think it basically gets you the same cutout that you would get from a two tower alternative that's either filled in or not filled in. you've got bridges across, which undstand the neighbors don't particularly like, but given the size of your courty

mr. winslow, that's four stories from the taller portion of the building, three stories -- we've got the plans -- >> may i approach? >> you're out of order. >> speak into the microphone. >> that's what we need to determine. what are we talking about here? this is the uppermost story on main street. the building has to step down another story at this point, the midpoint of the lot to make the height work for beale street. so where are we measuring the 4 story notch from? this portion, the uppermost floor, is the only portion that is in the notch zone. so are we measuring the four stories, one, two, three, four, or one, two, three, four? >> correct. >> bay crest is down here somewhere. >> we need to -- we will be getting drawings in and improving them. >> go to the overhead, the last diagram you showed. go to the overhead, the other one, the next one. from the bay crest courtyard. >> i've got it. >> i think it's clear. it shows three story notch from the taller -- >> mike mike. [ off microphone ] >> there's a floor on one side. i mean, if we can't agree what a floor versus a roof deck is,