mr. wolf is a partner and from 2010 to january 2017, he was the assistant secretary of commerce for export administration. in this role, he was primarily responsible for the policy and administration of the u.s. dual use export control system, and as a result of the effort, he helped lead part of the defense trade system. also during this time, mr. wolf was the primary commerce department representative to sifius. mr. segal is the ira a. lipman chair and director of the cyberspace policy program at the council on foreign relations. an expert on security issues, technology development, and chinese domestic and foreign policy, before coming to cfr, he was an arms control analyst for the china project at the union of concerned scientists. he's been a visiting scholar at the hoover institution, at stanford university, the massachusetts university of technology's center for international studies, the shanghai academy of social sciences, and the university in beijing. ms. mclernon is president and c

mr. wolf also claims that president trump told him that the fbi was going to crack like an egg on national tv. in response, president trump declared that steve bannon has nothing to do with me or my presidency. when he was disbarred he lost his mind. the president is now threatening legal action against mr. bannon and mr. wolf. >> pat, do you think the challenge here to mr. trump fr upset the presidents base going forward? >> the base belongs to donald trump. i say that bannon is partly responsible for the economic nationalist aspect, for the american first aspect, for those issues. it added to the base and enabled trump to win. he did a great job during the campaign, but there is no doubt that when you mix statements like that, outside the church there is no salvation. right now, bannon is outside the church and i think he has to get back into it. but the base belongs to the donald. >> the stunning act of betrayal. the dream that bannon had a fielding the far right, all right, nationalist can

and making disparaging statements in some cases outright defamatory statements to mr. wolf about mr. trump, his family members and the company. in a separate letter to michael wolf he wrote mr. trump here by demands that you immediately cease and desist from any further publication, release or dissemination of the book, the article or any excerpts or summaries of either of them. they were moving up the release date by four days to tomorrow. susan, i've already seen the pre-sales of this book. i'm trying to figure out tactically here, we know trump has this history of threatening lawsuits, often not following through on them. this is only going to goose book -- you could print that letter on the back of the book and probably sell 100 million copies. is there any tactical reason for these threats? >> it's like the world's best blurb. in the idea that a president has standing to preempt publication, that is at odds with our constitution and experience. i would bet that there's no lawsuit following this letening letter. in fact, it's perplexing why they sent the letter. the boo

the metaphor investigation i think with the president's clearly referring to those the new book by mr wolf that even by the most skeptical . members of the media it's almost in terms of their relationships with the president. it interests them is shoddy and i think that's what the president is referring to in terms of people telling lies and making money off of it you know what about that book. a lot of people say that if the president had not even mentioned it if his attorneys had not tried to stop its publication it would have been a non-story and many people may have never even heard about it. i disagree i would say that any book that has you know juicy shocking relating details supposedly about a sitting u.s. president is going to get some attention and based on the number of people that were supposedly source for this book or supposedly interviewed people had to issue a trash never tractions he's made people have to issue clarifications based on the number of quite frankly false those that mr wolf is telling him is book. i have to ask you to chris about what the europeans are should t

and then we hear that mr. wolf access, the president himself gave him permission to have these conversations. so it may be bannon may have an argument he was having these conversations pursuant to the president's agreement and that would make it difficult to maintain he violated a nondisclosure agreement. >> tim o'brien, we've been saying all night no one has confirmed the contents of michael wolf's book. nbc news has not confirmed any the contents. we've been discussing it on that unconfirmed basis. this letter tonight from the trump lawyers is as much confirmation as they could possibly supply, they are saying to steve bannon you have indeed supplied all these disparaging statements in this book and that you've done it in violation of this nondisclosure agreement that you had with the campaign. >> and bannon himself hasn't pushed back on any of this stuff all day. >> bannon had all day to say -- >> there wasn't a peep from bannon in the most damaging claims in mike was book come from bannon himself. and i was goi

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is the final breakup and we understand according to the interview in this book by the journalist mr wolf donald trump reportedly did not want to even win the race for the white house i mean if that's true what does this mean if wants to maintain his base support particularly as we look towards the member midterm elections. well i don't really know if trump didn't want to win i don't know if i would go that far because i think at least part of donald trump always wants to win but i think it's probably true that trump didn't expect to win that is consistent with the other reports we got from the final phases during the final face off the campaign up to election day he didn't really expect to win and this was definitely a unique success this victory by donald trump i'm not quite sure if that can be repeated easily because he was fighting against the odds he was fighting against the establishment of his own party and if he can repeat that the way the opinion polls ago in the conference ago and that is highly doubtful and it begs the question does it guarantee that there will be a bloodbath a

damage demonstration that is unexpected and so you know i think the journalist who wrote the book mr wolf you know got access because the pain thought it was a great and wise idea and that often backfires because journalists in the end have often you know their own agenda they want to sell the book and in the end that's more important you know than what the trumpet ministration had them for and it has us all talking about it in the process down to how far the german marshall fund thank you for spending time with us. next to the race to find a fix for serious security flaws in computer chips around the world experts have discovered defects in chips made by intel a.m.d. and a r m they say the flaws could affect millions of computers around the world the tech giant intel is yet to release details but its chips are in systems made by apple and microsoft a fix is being designed to patch up security issues but it could make computers and other devices run up to thirty five percent slower i'll have more coverage of what this all means for you the consumers later in the show in our business block

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time we had michael slinn with so many scandals happening with this administration whether or not mr wolfe is entirely accurate it fits the narrative of what we the american people have seen this first year of the trump administration ok now a new element here and somebody really outside the narrative completely is trump and bannan in a political my fight right now are we going to see a civil war and a split inside the make america great again movement i don't think it's going be a full on civil war i think steve bannon automatically loses the president is the person in power he's in charge of the republican party we've seen the republican establishment line up behind president trump with the recent tax reform bill steve bannon is the guy that's on the outs i don't know that's going to be a full on civil war i think bannon is just going to be the big loser in all of this ok now what about the democrats is this a late christmas gift for the democrats and their chances in the midterm elections . yeah i think that the twenty eight thousand in the mid-term elections the democrats if they get t

mr. wolf's book and give the impression he was a thoughtful solid genius although i have the idea of a person describing himself as a solid genius is comical. i don't think he was einstein would describe himself that way. charles: very stable. ben: solid, stable, genius i don't think solid, stable, genius will go around. charles: but the fact of the matter is though, deirdre is that we have fun with this but it was a moment that i had not seen personally. i haven't really seen anything like that. >> no it was one of a kind. charles: i thought it helped president trump. i thought it helped the idea that maybe we'll get through some of this bipartisan ship maybe we'll breakthrough that resistance barrier that the democrats have put up. >> i was right there with you charles i really was. okay this is impressive it did kind of calm the chatter about this michael wolff book and it did seem most people say like we hate congress because they're always fighting and not doing anything for the american people and it showed okay listen we have both parties sitting here around this table we're talking ab

statements that mr. wolf made about the president are beneath the conversation. >> it is a conversation. >> only because you made it so. >> i did not make it, michael wolff did. and the president has by responding to it. only because it is a ludicrous question. these are people who is not accepted that president trump is the united states president and i'm sorry for them. we going to move on to our mission. at the cia, we are focused on keeping americans safe and things like this book are passing moments in history. we will get on and do the people's work. >> the cia does psychological profiles of world leaders routinely. what would you say about a world leader refers to him as a very stable to -- himself as a very genius? >> i'm not going to dignify that with a response. this is a man who deals with complex issues and has handled it in a way that i have respect for. we are keeping america safe and president trump is completely capable of working alongside and leading in that effort. announcer: c-span, where

mr. wolf's long history of a fabricator and a fictional writer. i think the facts are in. you might chalk this up to animus if it had happened after he had left the white house but we learned he was saying these things while he was on the white house payroll and he owed his loyalty to donald trump. the idea that the president didn't want to win, didn't expect to win? i >> laura: do take back what your editorial said it might be good for jeff sessions to move on, in the mueller investigation we've seen more leaks happening, critical pieces of information coming out of that investigation. there is no sense that trump person is leaking that stuff it has to be coming out of doj. >> dated the fbi pay him at the same time the clinton campaign was paying him and we need a special counsel. those of the four key points. if there is movement on those, fine. if that's what i hope happened. there should be a new attorney general, i like jeff sessions and i want him to do his job. i think we turned a corner this week on the fact that they are telling us they're not going to give us the

damage demonstration that is unexpected and so you know i think the journalist who wrote the book mr wolf you know got access because the pain thought it was a great and wise idea and that often backfires because journalists in the end have often you know their own agenda they want to sell the book and in the end that's more important you know than what the trumpet ministration had them for and it has us all talking about it in the process down to how from the german marshall fund thank you for spending time with us. all right when i bring up to speed now with some of the other stories making news around the world. the death toll in south africa in a south african passenger train crash is now twelve according to the country's transport minister fire engulfed several of the express trains carriages after it smashed into a truck about two hundred kilometers south of johannesburg the government says more than two hundred sixty people were injured. mourners in the west bank gathered for the funeral of a palestinian teenager killed yesterday in clashes with the israeli army while the hospital

confidential information making disparaging statements and at some cases defamatory statements to mr. wolf about mr. trump." the attorney says the remedies could include monetary damages, without naming a specific dollar amount, caps a blistering day between the president of his former top advisor. mr. trump says he has "lost his mind." white house calls the book trashy tabloid fiction but the author says he was given unfettered access inside the white house and completed more than 200 interviews. doug mckelway joins us with the latest on the war of words between the president and his once right-hand man, steve bannon. >> good evening. steve bannon has lobbed perhaps the most explosive rhetorical grenade over the white house fence yet. "the wall street journal" reports tonight that michael wolf's student to be released book "fire and fury" includes this quote, that presidential daughter ivanka trump is "as dumb as a brick." a series of bannon" were released earlier. one describes the trump tower meeting between the president son and a group of russians as treasonous and unpatriotic. bannon

mr. wolf's long history of a fabricator and a fictional writer. i think the facts are in. you might chalk this up to animus if it had happened after he had left the white house but we learned he was saying these things while he was on the white house payroll and he owed his loyalty to donald trump. the idea that the president didn't want to win, didn't expect to win? i ( ♪ ) only tena intimates has pro-skin technology designed to quickly wick away moisture to help maintain your skin's natural balance. for a free sample call 1-877-get-tena. for a free sample get ready for centrum micro-workouts. the bottle curl. the twist n' turn. the stretch n' grab. the gummy squish. centrum micronutrients fuel your body from the inside out. grab a centrum and join in. repeat daily. you know what's not awesome? gig-speed internet. when only certain people can get it. let's fix that. let's give this guy gig- really? and these kids, and these guys, him, ah. oh hello. that lady, these houses! yes, yes and yes. and don't forget about them. uh huh, sure. still yes! xfinity delivers gig speed t

. >> it's important, mr. wolf and i never spoke about this book. where he comes up with these assertions are completely made up. i've never spoken to him about this. the, contact better my book. i think eric and don are advocates for their father. i will close working relationship with chair kushner. i respect what he's done by leaving his business and coming to government service. these are made up accusations from a person who never spoke to me. >> chris: okay. one could argue your views some of these people were known to others. have a lot of respect to but your lack of given your views is not one of the things i agree with. honestly, did you ever refer to jarrett as the butler? >> up never done that. that is such speculation. schneider been printed. like i heard on the chapter of the see pack of income he never called anybody to talk about it. i never sat down. so for him to say that i called anybody anything without talking to me is the injustice about publishing a book. the guys a liar. i've been very clear, i don't think i should been fired

sources that don't exist insisting he never even spoke to wolf but that claim has been refuted by mr wolf who said i absolutely spoke to the president it was not off the record. spoke to him after the inauguration yes and i had spoken to i mean i've spent about three hours with the president over the course of the campaign in the white house so my window into donald trump is. is pretty significant but even more to the point i spent this i spend in this was really the sort of the point of the book i spoke to people who spoke to the president on a daily sometimes minute by minute basis so this this book was really i mean in a sense in a sense there was one question on my mind when i began this book what is it like to work with donald trump. a classic ion is live in washington d.c. has he the white house has responded by. conveying a blistering attack on michael will of trying to cost his credibility into doubt but our people viewing this side of that well i think people who are against the president think that this is confirming their worst suspicions the big question will be how do those t

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statements like the one mr. wolf made about how we think about the president is ridiculous. they are beneath the conversation. >> the book is on the mind of the president himself he tweeted about it for the seven the time. he said i had to put up with it for the first day i announce for president. now i have to put up with a fake book. ronald reagan had the same problem handled it well. so will i. the public outreach has been dealing with the book. there has been many other worked white house has been doing starting with the media campaign and a phone call that president trump had to discuss north korea and iran. a lot of work going on not making it to the front page because of the efforts to push back on this book. >> eric: steve bannon is expressing some regret. he is speaking out for the first time about the harsh comments. what did he say? >> his reaction is why continues to be in the headlines. some of the more controversial statements contained in fire theory were allegedly made by bannon. he's quoted calling ivanka dumb as a brick. and the meeting at trump tower inclu

. >> statements like the one mr. wolfident is too ridiculous on their face. >> the president is headed to nashville later what i meant tonight for the college football championship. we'll see if he has any more to say about this. cheryl, lauren. lauren: griff jenkins can thank you very much. true dude japan's takara: back many more defect of airbags. lauren: tracee carrasco joining us this morning. >> reprint 3 billion airbags there were calling for the frontal airbags since 2009, 2010 and 2013 vehicles had several automakers, honda, toyota, hyundai, chrysler, many of them. here is the list on your screen right now. just about every automaker you can count on. these automakers will provide specific models to the national highway traffic safety administration later this month so we should give more information. cheryl: you get the notice but we don't have the part that you need. driving around with a ticking time bomb in your steering wheel. what are they doing to combat the service? >> they are aggressively working with l

i turn you over to one mr. wolf blitzer right next door in "the situation room." situation room." thanks for watching. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> happening now, breaking news, taking the heat. in an extraordinary move, the white house opens president trump's bipartisan immigration meeting with lawmakers and the cameras roll as the president calls on both sides to work together on what he calls a bill of love, saying he's take the heat off both democrats and republicans. >>> putting out the fire. sources say the open meeting was designed to dampen questions about the president's mental stability and fitness for office. did the president decide on the move to try to put out the fire? >>> secret testimony. a top democrat releases testimony about the infamous trump/russia dossier, showing a former british spy turned researcher went to the fbi because he was worried donald trump could be blackmailed. did the fbi have intelligence from within the trump camp? >>> and bannon falls. former white house chief strategist steve bannon under fire for comments in a new book critic

satellite to are accept the donald trump dishonest and corrupt fake news for 2018 lead cnn commentator mr. wolflitzer. [ cheers and applause ] >> i have so many people to acknowledge. first the fake news writer who's tirelessly made up brilliant [ bleep ] all year long. >> okay. >> want to thank the special effects team made it look like the president threw paper towels at puerto ricans and most importantly -- this. >> this is why people don't trust the news, this man is not wolf blitzer this man is my father and dad i don't know what you're up to but president trump is right the news is fake, you're a fake wolf blitzer. >> whoever said i was wolf blitzer. >> you did. >> no you said i was wolf blitzer. >> dad you turns your garage into a situation room. that's not normal. that's fake. the president didn't even hand out the fake news awards today everything about this is fake. >> is anybody hungry, i made mini muffins. >> it's rachael maddow. >> no that's mother, that's mom. >> not tonight it isn't. come on rachael let's go home and howel at the wolves. >> whooo. [ cheers and applause ] >> okay.

. >> mr. wolf f is a fa fabulousi.want a stronger majority. >> this is a man who's had a problem with the truth for a very long time. lou: he's a liar. did you say he's a liar. >> even in his own book he's not sure what is the truth and what isn't the streut. if it rings true, then it is true. this is the problem with liberals. they don't like truth. they don't like fact. lou: you two have gone absolutely wobbly on me and i can't figure it out. a fabulousist and an even match, said christopher bedford. what are we to do with you two? >> editors across the news spectrum have really failed their viewer osen this on this . if anyone at fox business wanted to publish any of these claims, an editor of any kind would say i need to see your sources, your transcripts. where's the double-check and the background. liberals and part of the media want to believe this, it sounds true, they haven't asked any of the important questions. and places in new york and dak -- lou: it's fine. >> exactly. terrible. lou: the fact is the presi

apparently mr. wolfuest of steve bannon. >> in my 11 days, i didn't see him there. there's also 9,544,000 seconds if you were counting the seconds. steve: but also apparently he met, michael wolf did, some of the sources across the street. here's a question regarding steve bannon that he would say these things because he represents essentially donald trump's core base audience. why would steve bannon take a shot at the president like this? >> well, listen, you know, the president put out a pretty forceful statement yesterday, which i know you guys read. steve: said he was crazy. >> also said he was about steve. six months ago, i said that. i said he's there building his own brand. he's about steve. again, if he's listening to your show, why don't you drop the nonsense, apologize to everybody, and join the team. i don't know what jersey you're wearing. you're not wearing our jersey or team america's jersey. at the end of the day the president's bringing everybody together. he has to work with the establis

i turn you over now to one mr. wolf blitzer, he's next door in a place i like to call the situation room. thanks for watching. >>> happening now, breaking news, cease and desist. the president's lawyers push to shut down publication of a new book highly critical of president trump sending a cease and desist letter to it's author and publisher. they've also warned former trump stat gist steve bannon to stop talking or face a lawsuit. will they go to court? >>> state of mind. a yale psychiatrist says she briefed a dozen lawmakers worried about the president's mental state. she says he's becoming very unstable very quickly, but the white house calls any concerns laughable. >>> weed whack. the trump administration changes federal policy on marijuana enforcement in states where it's now legal. could you get arrested for smoking pot in your state? >>> and who got played? after president trump taunts kim jong-un about the size of his nuclear button, the u.s. and south korea agree not to hold military exercises during next mont

fox has confirmed what bannon said to that author, mr. wolf, bannon said yes, that is it what i said. here is one of the quotes that got all the headlines, it is quote, even if you thought this was not treasonous or unpatriotic, or bad four-letter word, and i happen to think it is all of that, you should have called the fbi immediately. that was steve bannon. well president trump never takes a punch like that and doesn't throw one back and the president issued a very stern statement regarding bannon's quote saying among other things, quote, when he was fired, he not only lost his job he lost his mind. steve doesn't represent my base. he is only in it for himself. so that raises a question, what does a fight between donald trump and steve bannon do to the president's base, or to the populist base that steve bannon is so popular within? here is what sarah sanders had to say the press secretary at the white house. >> i don't think it does anything to the president's base. the base and people that supported this president supported the president a

i turn you over to one mr. wolf blitzer. i can hear him right next door in "the situation room." thanks for watching. >>> happening now. answering questions? lawyers for president trump are anticipating a request for the president to talk to special counsel robert mueller. and are discussing how to set limits on any interview. could the president end up sitting down face-to-face with the special counsel? >>> forced out. the trump administration says nearly a quarter of a million immigrants who fled devastating earthquakes and have been in the united states now for 17 years, they now have to go home. that latest get tough move comes as congress and the president are bracing for a fight over hundreds of thousands of other young immigrants. could that fight force a government shutdown within days? >>> oh, say can you see? friends of oprah rwinfrey tell cnn she's actively thinking about running for president in 2020. few people who saw her rousing speech at the golden globes have any doubts. what's the trump white house saying about all of this? >>> talking peace, south korean negoti

. >> comment mr. wolfe made on how we all think about the president is just ridiculous. >> many republicans want to focus on their agenda. immigration talks with democrats resume at the white house tomorrow. lawmakers have just over two weeks to reach there the budget deal. >>> happening today, longtime san francisco political heavyweight expected to throwçó his hat into the ring for mayor. former state senator mark leno expected to file papers. also served as san francisco's supervisor. latest name to finish out ed lee's term. among other big names running or at least considering a run, acting mayor london breed, former supervisor angela alioto and jane kim and city dennis herrera. tomorrow is the deadline to file. >>> back to our microclimate alert. live look outside of palo alto. very wet roads as you get out and make your way to the roads. take a look right there. >> meteorologist kari hall checking the changing conditions for us. pretty big there behind you. >> a lot of rain here and not only for the b

statements like the one mr. wolf about how we all think about the president are just ridiculous. if they are frankly beneath the conversation this morning, chris. >> chris: but it is the conversation. >> director pompeo: only because you made it so, sir. >> chris: i didn't make it, michael wolff did. the president has by responding to it. directly. fitness to be president. >> director pompeo: completely fit. i paused only because it's just a ludicrous question. these are people who jus just he not yet accepted that president trump is the president. i'm sorry for them in that. we are going to move on and with our mission. we are incredibly focused on keeping americans safe and< things like this book, frankly, are just passing moments in history. we will get on, we will do the appreciate the good work that we do. >> chris: i want to press on a couple of more points, i promise that we will then get on to her day drive. the author quotes an email that was supposedly representative of the view of one of the president's to

i turn you over now to one mr. wolf, he's next door in a place i like to call the situation room. thanks for watching. >>> happening now, breaking news, cease and desist. the president's lawyers push to shut down publication of a new book highly critical of president trump sending a cease and desist letter to it's author and publisher. they've also warned former trump stat gist steve bannon to stop talking or face a lawsuit. will they go to court? >>> state of mind. a yale psychiatrist says she briefed a dozen lawmakers worried about the president's mental state. she says he's becoming very unstable very quickly, but the white house calls any concerns laughable. >>> weed

i turn you over to one mr. wolf blitzer right next door in "the situation room." situation room."ching. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> happening now, breaking news, taking the heat. in an extraordinary move, the white house opens president trump's bipartisan immigration meeting with lawmakers and the cameras roll as the president calls on both sides to work together on what he calls a bill of love, saying he's take the heat off both democrats and republicans. >>> putting out the fire. sources say the open meeting was designed to dampen questions about the president's mental stability and fitness for office. did the president decide on the move to try to put out the fire? >>> secret testimony. a top democrat releases testimony about the infamous trump/russia dossier, showing a former british spy turne

person by the way, excuse me, who has disvowed these quotes which are alleged to be attributed by mr. wolf the author of this book which comes out next week. the book is called fire and fury so sarah sanders white house press secretary was talked about this was asked about this book and of course, some of the people in the book who are now saying they never said these things, here is what sarah sanders said. >> i know that the book has a lot of things so far what we've seen that are completely untrue. they have many people that have quotes that are sources coming out publicly saying that those things are not true. adam: but in regards to steve bannon, steve bannon confirmed to fox that he indeed did say those things and was quoted accurately. e-mac? liz: thank you adam shapiro good reporting there now we have former george w. bush senior advisor karl rove joining me now mr. barricks is the first to say these quotes attributed to him are made up but bannon is not saying he was misquoted. what do you make of all this? >> well i think you've got to look at these what appears in the book on th