and our founder mr. wren indicated he would shut down the company before he does that -- >> wouldn't the chinese government just put his family in jail? >> as the director -- the deputy director of national intelligence said, back doors weaken the test and secondly the customer data is critical. that is what she said and we're open to that kind of germany is acceptable, the u.k. found acceptable and the canadian government found acceptable. >> if you put something in the supply chain, they are undetectible. what is this magic thing to allow people to detect there is a back door, this hardware implanted in a hauwei router? >> i'm referencing the principle director of national intelligence who said we can do it. there are companies and processes that could find it. but more importantly we're for getting it is not just about the equipment, it is the network operator and the at&t and verizon of the world, they monitor the network and in bound and outbound because we know the bad guys will get in and we have to ma

. >> reporter: mr. wren, how can you say this? you have 180,000 employees.re one of the biggest companies, not only in china but in the wwhld. would it be strange to talk to chinese government officials when you are such an important company to china and in t world? >> translator: because we are fully clable to d with those issues on our own. >> reporter: earlier this week the world's number two cellphone maker said it could take a $30 billion hit to revenue on those u.s. sanctions, but that massivere number doesn't s wren. he told me that $30 billion is i very small and that the company does not attach importance to high numbers, rather they focus on performance. for "nightly business report" i'm deidre bosa in china. >>> ale is looking to move a 15 to 30% of its production outa of china to southeast asia. such a move would reduce its reliance on chinese manufacturing. separately, harley-davidson inked a deal to build smaller motorcycles in china. the bike will be sold in china and likely other asian markets as well. is expected to go on sale at the end of