so i think when it comes to zarrab-gulen i think mr. erdogan wants gulen back but i think he wants zarrab more than gulen. >> svante, ilhan, also happy to hear about this from you. but nick, a, would you agree with that assessment? and why would he want zarrab more than gulen? you sort of mentioned a variety of issues. is it sort of this issue of this case could reveal that turkey was involved in sort of undermining its allies' interests with iran or is there something greater involved here? >> this has been one of the strange things period gann's focus on the zarrab case that i think a lot of people in washington at least have wondered about in that as ilhan said there has -- it seems like in private meetings erdogan has been very focused on this. he's very much wanted zarrab off, he's wanted the case to go away. he's hired people like rudy giuliani in order to negotiate a diplomatic solution which would make this case go away. and yet right, it's not immediately clear to people outside turkey -- many very explosive revelation koz come

mr. zarrab case. we don't know what mr. zarrab is going to talk about.once he is talking, i think, according to experts, he will open lots -- implicate lots of other people and we won't see those indictments very soon. so if he is talking, this may change -- trigger events that may go on for a while. and nobody know from turkey side, who is in the indictment list. >> it sounds like this could be a real pandora's box for u.s.-turkish relationships laying out a minefield for us to navigate in the near future. you agree with the assessment? >> yes. >> on that optimistic note, we will end for today. thank you for joining us. i encourage you to check out our reza zarrab. i look forward to seeing you next time. thank you. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> coming up in a few moments on c-span at: 30, house minority whip steny hoyer on the roundtable discussion on the opioid epidemic in his