mrjustice fraser said this, paragraph _ was aware of two. of two. mrjustice fraser said this, paragraph 58, of his - said this, paragraph 58, of his judgments in relation to the horizon judgment. _ judgments in relation to the horizon judgment, overthe numerous hearings and two _ judgment, overthe numerous hearings and two trials, i have conducted, i gained _ and two trials, i have conducted, i gained these distinction the post office _ gained these distinction the post office is— gained these distinction the post office is less committed to speedy resolution— office is less committed to speedy resolution of the entire group action— resolution of the entire group action than the complaints. was that action than the complaints. was that a deliberate strategy being employed by the _ a deliberate strategy being employed by the post office to try and outspend the claimant? not by the post office to try and outspend the claimant? not that i was aware of- _ outspend the claimant? not that i was aware of. mr _ outspend the claimant? not that i was

., , later of mrjustice fraser until 2010? ., y ., 2010? no, they did mention it. did mention the _ 2010? no, they did mention it. they did mention the missed _ 2010? no, they did mention it. they did mention the missed payments i 2010? no, they did mention it. they i did mention the missed payments bugs of 2010? no. oranother did mention the missed payments bugs of 2010? no. or another bug operative between 2010 and 2013? they didn't mention the dalmellington bug from 2010 and the fact it was still operative at the time of this meeting? ida. they did time of this meeting? no. they did mention another bug operative in 2010 and another one in 2005 and again in 2007? ida. they did mention again in 2007? no. they did mention the local suspense account bug operative in 2010? the reversals bug in 2003? the gyro bank discrepancy bugs operative in 2001 and 2002? ida. bugs operative in 2001 and 2002? no. or the independent expert review and report on horizon in 2005 and again in march 2010 but on each occasion the post office had decided against it in the latter occasion s

did it take until the judgments of mrjustice fraserfor did it take until the judgments of mrjustice fraserare auoin the horizon system? well, we are going back — the horizon system? well, we are going back now — the horizon system? well, we are going back now to _ the horizon system? well, we are going back now to controlling - the horizon system? well, we are going back now to controlling the | going back now to controlling the narrative — going back now to controlling the narrative and that was the first time _ narrative and that was the first time post— narrative and that was the first time post office lost control of the narrative, — time post office lost control of the narrative, once we got into the high court _ narrative, once we got into the high court so. _ narrative, once we got into the high court. 50, yes, that's when the truth _ court. 50, yes, that's when the truth started to come out, at that point _ truth started to come out, at that oint. . , ., truth started to come out, at that oint. . i. ., , truth started to come out, at that oint. . ., , , ., point. had you months bef