the most recent mrp poll had the conservatives on 178 seats. reform on 175 and labour on 174. an election was called, that would be the result. meaning that if you put the two right wing parties together, that would be a mega party on the right, wouldn't it? definitely defeating labour, which surely is the point. let's find out, shall we? joining me now is mark howe, the chairman of sutton coldfield reform uk. mark, thank you very much for joining me today. very intriguing story here. now we did try to talk to one of the very high up people in reform this morning, and i can't repeat what they actually said live on air. so what's your comments on this one? >> well, i'm not surprised they couldn't repeat it on air. i think the thing is, dawn, first of all, it's the daily mail report. they're not really friends of reform uk. and we saw back in, you know, 2019 when we did a deal with, well, when we sort of stood candidates down for boris johnson to defeat laboun for boris johnson to defeat labour. and then johnson obviously squandered an 80 seat majority with mass immigration. et